This is a don’t miss program for our wild ones! We have Ginger Kathrens and Makendra Silverman (The Cloud Foundation), Laura Leigh, Craig Downer and Laura Allen (Animal Law Coalition). We will be discussing some exciting news that has been occurring over the last few days, as well as the upcoming Calico Complex round-up, a discussion on ROAM (Laura Allen) and John Holland’s article with AP. With all the activity we’ve been having, we are going to give you all the updates/information and then open the lines for calls. You can also submit questions via the chat function that Elle monitors throughout the program.
9:30p Eastern, Wednesday Nov 18
Listen here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Howling_Ridge_Radio
On-Air Calls: 718.664.6596 (if you want to ask a question on the air, press 1 so we get the signal, otherwise, we will assume you are just listening via phone)
thecloudfoundation.wordpress.com 
November 18, 2009 at 2:35 pm |
When will Ginger be in Chicago?
November 18, 2009 at 4:55 pm |
Dec 12 DeKalb IL
Go to main webpage — article is there! HOpe you can go!!!
November 18, 2009 at 6:04 pm |
http://www.thecloudfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/48-events/188-ginger-kathrens-in-the-chicago-area-dec-10-12th-for-series-of-events-please-join-us-
November 18, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Jan,
Thank you so much! I can always count on you to do the research.
I going to ask a friend to drive me down to Illinois for the Saturday screening.
November 19, 2009 at 12:24 am
My best bet is DeKalb — hope!
November 18, 2009 at 4:54 pm |
Please discuss on the radio show the term “FERAL” as used regarding wild mustangs. . . Here is a company, found when googling holiday cards mustangs – which has great cards HOWEVER, each and every description on the back of each card of Mustangs (and they have several, not just holidays) spreads the term “FERAL” in describing mustangs!
I would prefer they use another type of term, even nothing more than free-roaming cousin of our domestic horses or something.
http://blackbearpaperworks.com/default.aspx
November 18, 2009 at 4:56 pm |
Use of the term, feral, is why I am not purchasing any of these cards.
November 18, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Just wrote to her:
Your Mustang cards are beautiful, and I am writing because the use of the term “feral” in your description is the very term that the enemies of the Mustang use when they justify their clearance from the legally held reserves already set up for them.
Just writing to urge you to think of another, less “loaded” term.
Such as, “the free roaming cousin of our domestic horses” or, use it’s NATIONAL DESIGNATION WHICH IS:
NATIONAL HERITAGE SPECIES!!!
Sincerely,
Janet Ferguson
Sadly, not to be a customer. Your images are beautiful.
November 18, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Good work, JF! I hope they Evolve! mar
November 18, 2009 at 6:32 pm |
Good work Jan. They needed an education.
November 19, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Thanks – next time I will not post the company’s name or web because I may be hauled off under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act.
November 20, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Seriously, though, the proprietor of this card store sent me a very nice email and said she will consider this rewording when she reprints the cards! I am impressed.
November 18, 2009 at 6:32 pm |
Here’s a card place benefitting a horse rescue and, she says she supports The Cloud Foundation
http://www.zazzle.com/wild_horses_running_card-137309000032994250
November 18, 2009 at 9:56 pm |
There are some of you here, JF, Morgan Jan C. and maybe others like Louie and Karen who may want to be founding members of a little group that Roxy, Jo Bunny, Barb, and Suzanne and I, are trying to get started. Your participation is wanted and your involvement needed… FOLM; Furious Old Ladies for Mustangs. The young and not female are welcome. I think RT is a founding member and the group was conceived at his site. Mar
November 19, 2009 at 1:57 am |
I think I could start a chapter in my town. . . count me in. . . .
November 19, 2009 at 3:26 am
Great and Angela, too? Mar
November 19, 2009 at 2:40 pm
who’s Angela? Angela Lansbury? That WOULD be great!
P.S. Last nite on radio they were talking about your idea, Marilyn Wargo, of the “herd watchers” or “adopt a herd” —
You need to go talk to Elle of the Howling Ridge Encampment and get your ideas across since she’s “running with it” and wants the schools to adopt the herds — she is working with Ginger (from Ginger’s 1995 list of existing herds) to have the kids research the history of the herds, including the “zeroed out” herds. (to restore them and keep their memory) It is great! Did you listen? Also weren’t we talking about a ‘SHIELD’ design for each herd that would GIVE THEM AN IDENTITY AND A FACE on this blog??? Somebody old and angry needs to catch up with Elle and stay involved to keep all these good ideas together.
I nominate you — come in please, where are you?
Over and Out
November 19, 2009 at 2:45 pm
P.S. Was brainstorming on names: (for our group of old mad people)
WEST – “Wild Equid Sentry Group”
BAD – “Bold and Angry Dames”
ROAR – “Raging on American Ranges”
“Mustang Underground”
LAMB – “Ladies’ Auxiliary for Mustangs and Burros”
These aren’t great, but it was fun. . .
November 19, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Make that
WEST – Wild Equid Sentry Troops
November 19, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Motto of the old and mad:
Our good days are your worst nightmare! lol
November 19, 2009 at 3:16 pm
REGARDING MARILYN WARGO’s ADOPT A HERD IDEA:
Somebody TELL ELLE of Howling Ridge don’t forget the Indian Schools out there and other schools — of course this is Public Land HOWEVER the horses were here long before the land was even a glimmer in the Public’s eye. . . and certainly also were America’s first nations. . .who spread the horses upon their REINTRODUCTION to this continent by stealing from the estancias (I think that is “ranch” in Spanish) and using the horses for trade.
Of course “prehistoric” man on this North American continent was apparently no stranger to the horses progenitors either!
So why not include all schools, not just US Public school kids in this????? Indian schools, Catholic schools, etc.
November 19, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Angela Sillitto, she has been commenting here for weeks! mar
November 19, 2009 at 10:56 pm
JF, I have bee in touch with Elle and she has got back to me. I do want the Indian schools included. My Grand Dad gave to St Joseph’s Indian School all his life and was born nearby. Pine Ridge. mar
November 19, 2009 at 10:59 pm
WEST sounds good for those who will want to be actual Mustang Guardians, local people and visitors… mar
November 19, 2009 at 11:30 pm
JF, Did you nominate me for something??? I have to go outside to the trailer to get online. We are not hooked up or getting internet yet. It is not like it was a couple weeks ago and I could go on any time. I have and will keep in touch with Elle. I would love to write it down and mail it, one day soon… But
I am isolated and not always in touch right now. Next week I hope we are online in the house! I will do the best I can, but you are right in there, and I thought we were on the same page… so you can maybe keep track of some of this stream of concienceness stuff…. Please?? It is up here, too, that helps.
A herd can be adopted by many and the symbol and shield can come from all contributing… then the most appropriate should be adapted..
But the shield can be done anew any time for any new adopters. mar
November 20, 2009 at 11:54 pm
OH Angela Sillitto! Sorry. Senior Moment!
November 20, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I PUT ALL THE IDEAS YOU HAD IN A VERY NICE EMAIL (EXPANDED CONCEPT OF SCHOOLS TO INCLUDE INDIAN SCHOOLS, ETC. ETC. AS WELL AS THE “SHIELD IDEA”) AND SENT IT ON TO THE CLOUD FOUNDATION C/O MAKENDRA AND GINGER AS WELL AS A COPY TO CRAIG DOWNER! SO IT IS OUT THERE FLOATING AROUND NOW, HOPEFULLY ELLE WILL GET WIND OF IT. . . YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. GO INSIDE AND GET WARM
November 20, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
What about MAMA’s …Moms Against Mustang Abuse.
November 19, 2009 at 1:23 am |
I want to be a Furious Old Lady for Mustangs! OK. I’m only 45. Is that old enough?
November 19, 2009 at 1:42 am |
Sure, Nora! Join right on in!
November 19, 2009 at 3:27 am |
Younger and non females welcome
November 19, 2009 at 2:48 pm
What’s with the no younger females. I don’t get that. . . granted they are lightning quick, independent, skilled, resourceful, passionate and for the most part beautiful, but I certainly don’t see that as a valid reason to exclude them. . .
November 19, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I got kicked out of Brownies, by the way, because I refused to give up my dime dues. . .so I have a problem with groups, anyway. But for the horses, anything!
November 19, 2009 at 10:30 pm
JF, My best friend, Janet, and I, were kicked out of our first year of girl scouts for giggling too much. I have not been a joiner, but I loved my horse 4H group with my neighbors. So this is like advanced 4H….. with a cause, but we actually had the same cause then! mar
November 19, 2009 at 10:51 pm
huh? Younger women and non females WELCOME!!! RT is a member! Jo Bunny is YOUNG!!! mar
November 20, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Finally understand. . .this is why I am not very good in meetings. Everything flies right past me. . . .but I can read good.
November 20, 2009 at 11:56 pm
or NOT!
November 22, 2009 at 9:40 am
Hey, I wanna join, too! 😀
November 19, 2009 at 2:07 am |
http://www.animallawcoalition.com/animals-and-politics/article/73
This is a link to an animal law coalition article regarding the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (until today I was unaware of it)
This law was also sneaked in in November as was the Burns amendment.
November 21, 2009 at 12:01 am |
If I read correctly, apparently Feinstein was a sponsor — but the “terrorism” was happening, I guess, in her state (against animal labs or something) and she was facing reelection.
November 19, 2009 at 4:56 am |
Good show, heard the last part. Thanks all for the renewed hope and vision. Mar
November 19, 2009 at 2:49 pm |
Did you hear about the “adopt a herd” hope so see my above post this was your idea sweetie
November 19, 2009 at 8:43 pm
JF, We have been on this subject a couple times of guardians for the herds. I think it was in September the first time…. You brought up the shields! Lovely idea, very appropriate. Yes, I did hear about adopt a herd… that they all need to be recognizable like Cloud and herd members. The wolves in the Yellowstone packs have names from the visitors. It has made it more personal for those who want to protect them. Tragic, too, when they die. mar
November 19, 2009 at 8:52 am |
WHO SAYS WE’RE OLD? HOW ABOUT FOXY OLD LADIES FOR MUSTANGS.
November 19, 2009 at 10:34 pm |
Louie, well, it all came out of our passion to fight for the horses, and it was some of us who are older, but we need young blood, like you and Jo Bunny!!
November 19, 2009 at 2:57 pm |
question regarding blogtalk show last night…..I THOUGHT THAT I HEARD someone make the comment that don glenn had stated yesterday that blm has changed their plan for the calico complex roundup & that they do NOT plan to return any of the horses back to the land. IS THIS WHAT I HEARD??? i want to know before i REALLY hit the roof & i have to add a few more F’s to FOLM (EFFIN” fed-up, fuming, foulmouthed & frustrated are just the start). did i hear that correctly? does that mean that they are rounding up the 2486 to 2747 wild horses & NOT allowing the planned 264 horses to go back to the land??? or does this mean that they will plan on rounding up fewer wild horses? or what? does anyone know????
November 19, 2009 at 3:20 pm |
Yes I heard that too about Don Glenn. I thought they said they were going to take all that they “got” — not return any.
Some talk was whether there are even that many out there and also that according to their projected expected total for their gathers thru this FY (THRU SEPT 2010) that they will, by their own count, be in “negative territory”
November 19, 2009 at 3:21 pm
this is all from what I thought I heard on the radio show only. . . no other source info.
November 21, 2009 at 3:39 am
Now I hear BLM fiscal year goes 10/1 – 6/30
I am confused.
November 19, 2009 at 8:47 pm |
Whoa!? I would not put anything past these greedy effing people. mar
November 21, 2009 at 6:52 pm |
jb, They’re probably giving conflicting information in order to confuse the issue in case they can’t even FIND the 2500 horses they say are there. It would be easy to justify not returning 260 to the range if the “gather” nets far fewer in the first place.
November 19, 2009 at 7:02 pm |
I DIDN’T GET TO HEAR THE SHOW AT ALL–WILL IT BY ONLINE LATER?
November 19, 2009 at 8:55 pm |
the show is taped, we can hear it anytime, mar
November 19, 2009 at 7:07 pm |
WHAT IS NEEDED IN THE BUREAU, APPARENTLY, IS SOME NEW YOUNG MEN–NOT SO STUCK IN OUTDATED WAYS OF THINKING, AND WILLING TO LISTEN TO WISE OLDER WOMEN.
November 19, 2009 at 9:59 pm |
Here is a reply I just received from http://www.blackbearpaperworks.com about their use of the word “feral” on the back of their greeting cards to describe wild horses:
Thank you for your email! I want to let you know that it was not my
intention to make any kind of derogatory statement regarding these
beautiful horses! I was using the term “feral” in the context
that they “exist in a wild or untamed state”, (quote from the dictionary.)
I was not aware that the BLM used this particular word with a negative connotation.
I appreciate your willingness to let me know and I will change the text upon next print.
Thanks Again,
Barbara
barb@blackbearpaperworks.com
PS How did you come across my cards?
I was surprised by her willingness to correct this mistake. I wish everyone was this cooperative.
November 20, 2009 at 6:56 pm |
HOW ABOUT “WAR”–We’re Against Round-ups.
November 21, 2009 at 6:39 pm |
Louie, I like both “WAR” and “MAMA”s as well.
Mar, Just a thought…if words such as “furious”, “mad”, and other emotional connotations are used, then aren’t we adding to the idea that this is an emotional issue only? The BLM and their supporters openly assert that the mustang support groups are just unrealistic and emotional and not fact-driven. I am angry, outraged, frightened, and sad all at the same time, but I know that the ANSWERS to these horses’ problems are LEGAL/POLITICAL. We want to appear knowledgeable, lucid, caring, and unwavering; but not overly emotional in order to have veracity and be taken seriously. (Laura Allen’s writings do a great job of illustrating this concept, I believe.) We need the demeanor of one of my favorite characters of all time, Atticus Finch, in “To Kill A Mockingbird”.
November 20, 2009 at 7:16 pm |
I LIKE MAMA’S, TOO. HOW ABOUT MAMA’S GOING TO WAR–THAT’S WHAT THIS IS, AND THERE NOTHING MORE FEROCIOUS THAN A MOTHER FIGHTING FOR HER YOUNG.