BLM Public Advisory Board Meeting Notes- June 15th, 2010

BREAKING NEWS: Coming out of yesterday’s workshop and in a good faith effort to work with the BLM to drastically change the management of our wild herds the protest today will be not take place. However, should BLM not move forward in truly working with the public and beginning to enact a moratorium or drastic reduction in roundups than the public will again hit the streets across the US and overseas to protest the ongoing destruction of our wild herds. Thank you!

ON LUNCH:  Breaking for lunch at meeting here in Denver but please join us again at 1:00pm MST via livestream– thanks to XTOMIC for livestreaming this meeting. We hope BLM will take on the livestreaming of all meetings and workshops in the future to demonstrate public inclusion for all interested. We hope to have powerpoints posted online and readable as well.

Will update during the day– public will be protesting 11am-1:00pm today starting in front of the Magnolia Hotel – public comment period begins at 3pm, sign up by 12:00 noon to speak

II. Public Meeting: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 (8 a.m. to 5 p.m.)
8 a.m. Call to Order & Introductions
8:15 a.m. Old Business Approval of Deceember 7, 2009 Minutes Response to Recommendations
9 a.m. Progrram Updates: Gathers, Adoptions, Budget, Facility and Pipeline Reports
Break (9:45 a.m.10 a.m.)
10 a.m. Program Updates ates (continued)
Lunch (11:45 a.m.1 p.m.)  Register by 12:00 pm to speak during the 3pm public comment period– expect to have 2-3 minutes to speak.
1 p.m. New Business
Break (2:45 p.m.3 p.m.)
3 p.m. Public Commentents
4 p.m. Board Recommendations
4:45 p.m. Recap/Summary/Next Meeting/Date/SSite
5 p.m.  Adjourn

Border patrol currently has 60 mustangs, mostly trained at Canon City—

Canon City can train 130 horses/ year – halter and/or saddle trained

Fran Ackley, CO State Lead for WH&B program—18 years in this job- CO summary

Sandwash, our largest in population, working with HSUS on fertility control, research project

2008 – 62 mares given PZP-22 (also several hundred horses removed and 6 killed)

setting up bait stations to remotely dart mares

5 year study, hope to have prelim results later this summer

(thousands of sheep over-grazing the area not discussed so far)

Little Book Cliffs– one of 3 horse ranges, no livestock in the area- successful in

possible gather in 2011 (first time going 4 years between dartings.

Over the last 10 years they’ve increased AML by 32%, aquired private lands within

changed status on 3500 acres from HA to HMA status. Have improved springs, cattle guards etc to improve HMAs

Have space for 3000 horses in Canon City- dept of corrections paid for

working hard to finish construction of 4th

trim, vaccinate, deworm 800-1000 horses per month.

Saddle horses offered $1025, $900 goes to dept of corrections—covers cost of feed and upkeep and training. $125 goes to BLM

Could adopt out more saddle trained horses at $1025 than untrained at $125

Halter trained horses offered at $200-500 depending on size, conformation etc.

Border patrol horses used on southern and northern borders- very successful

10 horses in inauguration parade— all had been off the range less than 2 years!!

BLM works with Westernairs, kids 9-18 years old, riding drills and reenactments, trick riding etc- they’ve adopted over 60 horses in the past 20 years.

$2.70/head/day if under 2500 horses

$2.65/head/day if over 2500 horses at Canon City

Horses level the playing field in prison—small guys are sometimes the best with the horses.

Advisory Board Meeting minutes from last Dec have been approved and will be posted within ten days.

Made 3 recommendations last December:

  1. Board recommended that FS create a specific line item for WH&B in their budget… and planned mega roundups
  2. BLM further enhance and centralize public comments—have 227 comments so far. Haven’t been as many as expected. Once this is easier to find people actually might comment. Strategy Plan is now online with comment—they’ve been having a lot of problems with everything. Suggests you copy and paste comments.

Status of 2009 nominations for the board—Don Glenn

3 positions to be re-appointed : livestock management, wildlife management and humane advocacy.

Now resting in Dept of Ag. either concurs or doesn’t then those members will be appointed to board.  No issue regarding the names.

New Nominations

about to expire: Federal Resister will post soon—within 14 days. PLEASE

wild horse and burro research , nat. resource position and the public interest position with special knowledge of equine behavior (this is instead of a 2nd livestock management position)

charter approved for 2010-2012, has been signed by Salazar – waiting on Secretary Vilsack

Ginger Kathrens asks why the board can’t work out getting questions answered between bi-annual meetings rather than dragging out. Board replies that things are held up in the

Sue Wallis asks why we don’t have a equine industry person on the board since wild horses compete with the horse industry. Don Glenn replies that the new position “public interest with specific horse knowledge” pretty much fits that bill

Lily Thomas

6380 horses have been rounded up so far. Gather schedule has changed again. 7097 horses to be rounded up this summer. July 1 is the start.

Larry Johnson- rock creek horses have gone outside their roundup. why are you only removing 50? We continually hear that so much land has been zeroed out but we aren’t censusing the zeroed out areas. there are devastating the areas and spilling into private lands

please note that Larry Johnson has been anti-wild horse and has been on the board for more than a decade. He represents “environmental interest” but is no environmentalist and is the former (?) president of the Bighorn Sheep (trophy) hunting club.

Susie Stokee—a lot of these horses are tribal horses and clearly we might have to do something about them but those areas were declared horse free.

Larry continues to discuss how BLM can not gather all the horses and while they do their best to zero out herds identified to be zeroed out, they can’t get them all.

This board does not begin to represent the public.

Do land use plans need to be current within 3-5 years before a roundup can go forward?

NO says BLM

One board member suggests that we are down 2000 horses from hoped-for removals and questions why this is.

I’d like to recommend that having a Public Advisory Board that actually holds the BLM accountable and represents the public and gives and discusses real, viable and sustainable fixes for this broken program would go a long way in building the public trust. –MS

Long Term Holding—Lily Thomas discusses how they are adding contracts for holding of 10,000 more horses

Don Glenn gives rundown with unreadable powerpoint of the upcoming budget—will request that this powerpoint be made available to the public as a PDF. Discusses President’s budget and other details. millions and millions of dollars— $77.2 million budget still doesn’t meet goals. Expecting to have National Academy of Science to look at

3.4 million for fertility control- catch and release gathers planned

roughly 1200 mares will be treated

overhead went up too. what they presented yesterday was a bit outdated, this is more updated.

requested $42 million for acquiring land

we have to talk to them on almost a weekly basis to try to get them to give us that.

This is in addition to the $77.2 million asked for in FY 2011—total of $119.2 million for the BLM wild horse and burro program in FY 2011.

No money should be given to BLM for removals or acquisition of private lands!!!

Janet Jankura: why the decrease in marketing dollars for adoptions and awareness? the public is asking for more information and maybe we aren’t the best at marketing so maybe we should hire professional marketers.

Don Glenn- if we can find more money for mustang heritage foundation and marketing along the year we will.


Patti Colbert gave a great presentation on the Mustang Heritage Foundation mentioning and emphasizing that they too want to see wild horses on the range, in their homes and that is where they belong but they are working hard to find homes for the horses already captured and celebrating the American mustang.

Larry Johnson- does the land acquisition allow for leasing rather than aqusisition? – Bud Cribley says no.

Dr. Al Kane (B is speaking now about SpayVac mare surgeries and PZP infertility control (please note Mr. Kane’s membership in the committee on the planned killing of our wild horses in holding and off the range in secret BLM planning documents revealed via the Freedom of Information Act by the Conquistador Project. Many others here were also a part of those conversations discussing sterilization, gelding herds, killing on the range, avoiding public/congressional exposure of killing etc)

link to TCF press release on the secret planning documents

Dr. Kane is discussing  how to spay pregnant mares and tesiting safely

“spaying a mare is only part of the battle, there are no studies on efficacy of spaying mares to reduce wild horse reproduction on the range”- Dr. Al Kane

we didn’t talk too much about permanent agents for infertility a few years ago, they were kind of taboo. (murmer through crowd- they still are)

Larry Johnson:

“The rules are changing. The board in general supports a cautious approach but I was looking at it and it takes 5 years for corral studies, 5 years for range studies… I remember sitting on this board ten years ago and asking the same questions [and we haven’t made any progress].” *note that as per the BLM Advisory Board Charter there should be no more than 2 year terms

“When we get to AML (27,000 nationally) how many mares will we have to treat to stay at AML. It is scientifically impossible to treat enough mares to maintain AML.”

Present at meeting (will continue to update)


Dean Bolstad

Don Glenn

Bud Cribley

Al Kane

Sally Spenser

Ramona DeLorme

Shane (PR person)

Kearns and West Mediator (PR agency)

Janet ______

Board Members

Robin Lohnes

Larry Johnson

Vern Dooley

Janet Jankura


10 Responses to “BLM Public Advisory Board Meeting Notes- June 15th, 2010”

  1. Michael J Ahles Says:

    It is not the horses in need of management, it is only ourselves.
    The horses should simply be free, as nature was truly meant to be.


  2. true15 Says:

    please finish the sentence:
    Ginger Kathrens asks why the board can’t work out getting questions answered between bi-annual meetings rather than dragging out. Board replies that things are held up in the ???????????

  3. Suzanne Says:

    In their “new direction” doc, didn’t the BLM say something about having a better balance of interests on the Board? Can’t remember exact words, but I’m pretty sure it was in there.

  4. Donna Buscemi Says:

    The Current Advisory Board Charter – dated July 22, 2008 states in #8d
    “Board members will be appointed to serve 3-year terms.”
    Also the ..”charter expires 2 years from the date this charter is filed unless, prior to that date, it is renewed by the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture …


  5. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Thanks Donna — that is interesting! (scary)

    I think some Board are expired people!

    • Donna Buscemi Says:

      All but 1 or 2 people on the board are expired – 2 expired on Monday. Don’t know if it will make a difference but I notified Interior, BLM and Agriculture of my concerns regarding the Charter limits of 3 years not being followed. and the need for some new blood with fresh (or any) ideas.

  6. Linda Says:

    Thanks for catching me up on some of what I missed.

  7. Karen L. Says:

    Here is the link to the Advisory Board membership as posted today on the meeting blog.

  8. sandra longley Says:

    Many of you already had read these secret documents..this was the first i had…and have heard during the course of these meetings discussions of permenent chemical castrations and spaying of mares being puts it in an ugly light. i want to say that as someone who is familiar with these procedures..Procedures such as spaying and crypt.gelding of studs involves opening the body cavity of horses and should never be done out in the field..only in complete surgery facilities..this is the stuff of cow vets and Auscwitz style experiments on animals..I know of 2 geldings done at fallon that died of complications..I don’t know how many were done intotal..does anyone within the USHS have the qualifications to step up to the plate and speak to this issue? Their scilence is deafening.

  9. Honor Hannon Says:

    So far this sounds like a repeat of the meeting attended in Denver! And to think that our tax dollars pay the members of the Board’s room and board and transportation as well as a check for per diem exprnses!!!! It sickening and a waste of money. The BLM doesn’t listen to the Board either.

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