Just gelded- photo by Cat Kindsfeather, 4-18-10, at the Indian Lakes BLM Facility in Fallon
Moldy Hay- photo by Chrystie Davis, 4-18-10, Fallon
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What continues at Fallon has become a national disgrace. Finding answers for this and the ongoing plans by BLM to continue a dangerously violent management of roundup removals is beyond comprehension. There are too many horses living in expensive, senseless limbo. There are far more horses available for adoption than will be adopted. Old horses and other unadoptable horses are being removed when there is no where to take them but to illegal long term holding where there lives may be placed in jeopardy of sales to kill buyers by sale authority. This is called decimation not management. mar
LOTS MORE MONEY TO BE MADE–WHAT DEAL WAS MADE TO LET SOMEONE UNLOAD THAT HAY THAT COULDN’T BE SOLD ANYWHERE ELSE? WHO MADE THAT DEAL? WHO PROFITS? WHO ELSE IS IN THE TAXPAYERS’ POCKETS AT COST OF ANIMALS’ SUFFERING?
NO WONDER THE HORSES “AREN’T ADJUSTING TO FEED”!
And I see they have the “geldings” in sterile conditions for their recovery. This makes me so mad I can’t stand it anymore. Please everyone in NV go to law enforcement and file complaint under NV law 574.100. This is criminal and they must be held accountable. Is this America? Sure doesn’t feel like a democracy, feels like nazi germany.
That is nasty looking hay. Horses can’t eat hay like that; maybe beef cattle, but not horses. We now know why so many horses are dying. The horses will have botulism next from this nasty, nasty looking hay.
Does the BLM use any pain medication or anything when they castrate the horses? I wish this would stop! It is disgusting to see a government torment, capture and feed horses hay that they know will make the horses sick. It remains of the government giving the Indians blankets full of small pox and tuberculous on the “Trail of Tears.”
The first lady mentioned that their daughter Malia is worried about the tigers in Asia and Africa. This comment is made after so many have demonstrated, called, emailed and wrote letters to the Obama administration regarding our wild horses. I would think the Obama’s would educate their daughters regarding the U.S. wildlife that is endangered. I don’t think the Obama’s consider the U.S. their real home. Obama could stop this, but first they are going to protect the tigers in Obama’s homeland.
It continues to be a very sore omission by Obama and the First Family that these wild native horses have been left out of a natural dialogue by the President and his staff. This will reflect on them all for a long time to come.
The hay looks like it was rained on and totally spoiled. I would not bed a horse in that let alone feed them it! mar
mar, actually, that hay looks like it was the bottom bales on a stack of hay. many hay farmers stack their bales up off the ground so as to save wasted bales; evidently this farmer put his hay on the ground and then stacked on top of it. I’ve had farmers at hay sales hide these ruined bales in the middle of their stacks, so an unwary buyer will not find the unusable bales until AFTER the sale. You don’t even attempt to feed it to horses, unless you want serious complications.
I am outdone by the President. Saw a newsclip last night, they are taking a weekend break in the Blue Ridge Mountains, they need to go to WV and see the results of coal mining, and then go out West to see the disasters going on over there.
He’s making no effort to save wildlife anywhere in the world, so a discussion of what his homeland is is really immaterial.
I realize that Tigers are naturally occuring in Asia, but they were imported by humans to Africa as well. The point is, I believe Michelle Obama was referring to all Tigers, the ones that are natural and native to Asia as well as the Tigers imported by humans to Africa. The Obama’s in my opinion do not consider America as their “homeland.” For Michelle it is Africa and to our president it is both Africa and Indonesia, but not America. Anyways, I didn’t write my blog very well.
I don’t understand “why” the Obama’s wouldn’t have discussions about the extinction of America’s wild horses and Florida’s manatee for that matter. Why are they always so concerned about everything in Asia and Africa when it comes to wildlife? Why would Mrs. Obama even mention this, since she wants to keep her kids “out of the spotlight.” For people who want to keep their kids out of the spotlight they sure do mention them alot and tie the kids into a lot of controversy.
For a family, that wants to keep their kids “informed” and “grounded” why don’t they talk to their kids about the endangered wild horses, the horses mistreatment and the cruel roundups that their Father is allowing to take place.
Yes, I agree that is certainly some terrible looking hay and it does look like it was left out in the rain. I would be afraid to feed it to my horses. It also clarifies the issue of the horses not adapting to feed. It also shows that cattlemen are feeding our wild horses. A horseman would never feed moldy hay to our horse.
I just found a highly advanced formula which serves to explain all the disconnects encountered by wild horse and burro advocates, where the US Government is involved:
These not only serve to explain any given condition regarding BLM-managed wild horses and burros in any state (!!), but they provide an up-to-the-minute, and even almost a psychic “future view” of the situation the advocates will encounter, and can also be used (!!) as descriptive phrases!
FUBAR – Fouled* up beyond all recognition
FUMTU – Fouled* up more than usual
JANFU – Joint army navy foul* up SNAFU – Situation normal, all fouled* up (thank you to our troops for this one)
TARFU – Things are really fouled* up(* “fouled” being used in place of an expletive deleted)
Thank you to the Vietnam Triple Deuce for printing these edifying phrases. . .
Yes, apparently South Africa released tigers that were captive born into the wild. I remember the females were suppose to be sterilized, but several were not. Anyways, this resulted in Tigers in Africa. Africa is of course protecting the tigers unlike America protecting our wild horses.
I only know about tigers in Africa because my daughter is a zoologist and is now in medical school. The only point I was making is that Obama doesn’t care about our natural wildlife such as the wild horse, but the family has “weekly” discussions about tigers and protecting tigers. The family cares only about what they consider is their homeland, which is Asia and Africa. The Obama’s do not consider America their homeland.
I agree, Obama and his family does not compute and they are not connected to the American people. Look at First Lady Michelle Obama fighting against childhood obesity. She again drags her kids into her fight against obesity. Yet how many parents can afford a private school for two kids at $60,000.00 year that serves organic lunches. I know the the public school lunch menu has not changed in our school district. The lunches are still all carbohydrates and fast food, hot dogs, chicken nuggets, hamburgs, etc. I have to wonder if she would have a family Organic garden IF she had to work the garden, plus work full time. Probably not! Probably not. She had a backyard in Chicago plus don’t forget the half lot the Obama’s bought . The Obama’s have a different standard when someone else is doing the work and spending money. This administration is about convenience and it is not convenient to go against the BLM. I don’t believe Obama is going to do anything for our wildlife including horses. I voted for Obama but I sure won’t next time around. I am worried about having any wild horses left after his administration is done. Look at the Calico mountains now. Craig Downer could only find 41 horses or so. Now the BLM has their eye on Wyoming. What are we going to do? How soon before the Calico Mountain horses go to “long term holding” and then to slaughter? Why is it the BLM won’t allow anyone see the horses in “Long Term Holding?” Do you believe we really have horses in “Long Term Holding?” I don’t think this “Long Term Holding” computes.
Debra, the more that people feel what you do the more troubled the BLM is. They have lost more credibility with the wild horses issue and the public than anything ever before. We have prevented them from getting funds and stopped them for the moment from doing anymore than gelding young horses… What you feel and think about this administration has made a difference and saying it here is heard by some of them. That means you/we are doing something. The weeks to come are crucial and there are many undercurrents. mar
well michell obama made a great slip in speech and you can see it on youtube – she said that kenya was obama home country – no tigers there unless someone brought them in but in many places in africa the big cats are in danger – cheetahs and lions
THINGS TO DO:
KEEP UP THE PROTESTS–HAVE A MUSIC–HAVE A GOOD TIME
KEEP CALLING THE WHITE HOUSE COMMENT LINE–ELYSE SAID THAT OUR CALLS ARE BEING HEARD
DONATE TO THE IDA LEGAL FUND
KEEP ALL OF THIS PUBLIC–LET THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW!
KEEP AT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS–IF THEY DON’T DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS, THROW THE BUMS OUT!
JAN, I SAW THAT, TOO. DIDN’T IT SAY THAT THE DUTCH COASTGUARD HAD TRIED AND COULDN’T? THOSE WOMEN REMIND ME OF THESE WOMEN–RIDING IN TO RESCUE. I’M POSITIVE THAT THERE ARE MEN HERE, TOO. WOMEN JUST COMMUNICATE MORE.
Yes, they tried to get them off, move them w/boats, but the horses weren’t moving, they did get hay to them, then luckily the water receded enough and these horsewomen rode out, the horses trusted these horses to lead them to safety and off they went, great video, and yes, we are strongheart women and men too.
got email from jessica at in defense of animals – sent her notice from cloud that blm was gelding horses – she said keep fighting , keep emailing and keep up the pressure on the white house and the blm and the congress
president off for vacation now in north carolina – doesnt he ever work
I finally found a way to see the Netherlands horse rescue video, too. I’ve received various links to it since last fall, but have never been able to get them to work (probably the computer operator!). This time I solved the problem, because I wanted my friends and relatives to see it, and, believe me, unless you find a very simple way to do something, you can’t depend on people following through. So, here it is – to watch the video just Google YouTube Netherlands Horse Rescue 2006 with Names of the Rescue Riders (the music is great, too). I was also interested in the riders & their horses. I’ll bet I’ve watched the video 50 times trying to write down the names of the horses and riders listed at the end at the video – I couldn’t find them on Google in just a list on the printed page. Anyway, here they are – forgive any errors in the Dutch names.
Susan Fransen on Blizzard, Christine Stormer on Perfelt, Antja Dykstra on Humphrey, Mickey Nijbor on Berber, Hinkey Lap on Guinever, and Fardow de Rueter on King, a paint stallion. I have watched this video a lot, and I think Fardow de Rueter on King is one of the two women leading. She has on a pink coat, so even if you can’t see the paint markings on King, you can usually pick out the coat! The women never let the horses get ahead of them, and it was just like a horse herd following their leader. The water was not that deep and the horses were not that far from shore – but I read that volunteers had to pick/create a route that was safe for the horses. This was pasture land with potential barbed wire and who know what else under the water. Volunteers fed hay to the horses, who were stranded from October 31, 2006 – November 3 at 1400 hours, while they waited on this TINY piece of land. 18 horses did drown early on. There were over 100 horses. Notice the gaits of the various horses as they come onto dry land at a trot – you can see these domestic horses have come from a variety of backgrounds. This is the way you guys should take the horses at Fallon back to the Calico Mountain Complex. This will be the great American horse rescue! By the way, along the way somewhere I read that the Dutch have said very emphatically, “WE DON’T EAT HORSES”. Bless them, because I think the knives are just out there waiting for our horses in the Mexican slaughter houses! So, we need to work on getting the anti horse slaughter legislation passed.
I signed up for “Horseback News Bulletin” and in reading it last week discovered that there is a place where the Animal Welfare Institute has made it possible for everyone to contact their senators to try to blast the anti horse slaughter bill out of committee and have it voted on. It has already passed the House. Getting that passed is essential to protecting all horses. Passing it will also stop individual states from trying to open their own horse slaughter houses, which is happening now.
In Defense of Animals has two new action alerts – one to oppose continuing livestock grazing in a California wild horse area and the second to oppose the round up of two herds in Wyoming. I think we are in a lull, as everyone waits for the court case to continue, but I did find some things worth doing in the meantime.
SANDRA, GLAD TO SEE YOU BACK ON THE BLOG. I GOT TO WATCH THAT DUTCH RESCUE VIDEO WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT–HAD NO IDEA THEN THAT IT WAS A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME. I LOVE THE IDEA OF LEADING THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG ON HORSEBACK.
ALSO, CHECK OUT ANIMAL LAW COALITION–THERE IS A LOT THERE, ALSO. YOU CAN CLICK ONTO IT FROM THIS SITE–ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
It bothers me terribly that our government is showing such cruel abuse to our wild horses. The stallions are gelded without anesthesia, the mares are left in an open lot full of manure, urine and no cover to give birth. Horses like to give birth quietly and in privacy. There is no respect for our wild horses who are part of all of us. We would not be here without the hard work of the horse.
The entire wild horse issue makes me sick. I wish I could just release all of them. I am praying for the lawsuit that has been filed to come out in the wild horses favor. However, it bothers me that the BLM has decided to sterilize the stallions BEFORE the Judge has even ruled. I must ask, will the wild horses get a fair hearing? Will the BLM and Obama have control over the Judge?
Right now, supposedly, they are only gelding stallions 4 years and under, they are waiting on the older stallions until the court case is decided; there is a reenactment of the procedure on Elyse’s blog, they use a paralytic that knocks the horse down, then the procedure is done, my equine vet gelds on grass, same paralytic, they’re dopey, but not totally out, never needed pain meds for any of them, but did hose them down with cold water to ease swelling, my neighbor takes his colts to the Amish, they use nothing on the horses, so this is a little more civilized.
Man, I am just so sickend by our government! What about a little civil disobediance(spell check please), maybe if a bunch of us handcuff ourselfs to the pens at the Fallon torture chambers we could stir up some press? I would be totally willing to get my self arrested for the sake of the Calico horses. I just do not know what will stop this madness!
Thanks, Louie, for the link for the 10 simple Google tricks. I tried it out and it works. I’ll send it out to everyone on my Friends and Relatives list. Here’s another “trick” when looking for information – try looking through the Comments under the article/video. If I had thought to do that, I would not have had to play the video about the Netherlands Horse Rescue a zillion times to try to make the list of rescuers and their horses. This is what I found today in the “Comments” section after the video:
God Bless TO U All :
Susan Fransen riding Blizzard,
Micky Nijboer riding Berber,
Antje Dijkstra riding Humphrey,
Hinke Lap riding Guinever,
Christina Stormer riding Perfeft and
Fardow de Rueter riding King, a paint stallion.
Tears of happiness just flowed out
After all my effort (but I loved the video, so didn’t mind watching it), I misspelled three of the names!
I wish I had seen that posting earlier, Louie, because I too had a link for it way last September, but I couldn’t get it to work. One of the new members on my Friends and Relatives list, who joined up specifically to help with the wild horse and burros issue, is going to the Netherlands next month on an organized tour. She’s taking my information along and will try to make contact with one/some of the rescue riders. Did you notice the two women leading – one in the pink jacket riding a paint, which I think must be Fardow de Rueter on King- always making sure to stay ahead of the herd, even, I think, kicking it up to a canter briefly in the water at the very beginning. Fardow kept looking back to take stock of the progress of the herd. This was a conscious strategy, which means those women understand horse behavior along the same lines we talk about it and were using it beautifully to accomplish a wonderful thing. The BLM would have brought in a helicopter and drowned them all (and not cared about it, either!!). I think the other two, of the four who rode out, took positions to the side to keep the horses from drifting too far to the right or left off the route they had made secure for them. The horses soon fell into an organized order. I don’t know where the other two riders were, and in the beginning everyone thought there were just four riders. However, six riders and their horses are on the list.
Speaking of the BLM, as much as I love this country the Millers have been in since before the Revolutionary War, there are times when I think elements of our country are not too civilized!!!
I think, Louie, by reading through the comments on this blog, that we are all super frustrated by what is happening to the animals around us. So, when I received an opportunity from NRDC just now to write to the Secretary of Agriculture about the Forest Service’s plan to haze buffalo out of some area outside of Yellowstone Park in one of those dangerous, thundering chases by helicopters, I gathered up all of my recent ammunition and let him have it. Anyone who gets emails from NRDC, look for “Protect Yellowstone’s Wild Buffalo” and work in the situation with the wild horses and burros when you write your personal message in the letter. Remember, the Forest Service, where some of our horses are, is under the USDA. Here is mine – I’m not even polite!
Pay attention to me! Do NOT allow this to happen again! Last year I was unfortunate enough to view a photo of a very young buffalo standing at the edge of a stampeding buffalo herd watching them pass him by as his broken leg dangled. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE, UNNECESSARY, BARBARIC, UNCIVILIZED, AND INHUMANE! There is no need to herd animals this way, except to satisfy some poor excuse for a cowboy having his fun. We live in a different era, now, one in which we in the United States are all closely tied together by technology. Ugly things that have been acceptable in the West during your relative isolation of earlier years are NOT acceptable on the early news to the majority of us living throughout the United States today! Do not forget that we are all part owners of the National Parks, National Forests, and Public Lands on which these unacceptable things are happening!
The West has a very large audience, now, and carelessly killing buffalo, wild horses, wild burros, and running young animals into the ground with helicopters in round ups is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. There is NO percentage of acceptability! There are methods of moving animals which do not cause deaths. Please Google “YouTube Netherlands Horse Rescue 2006 with Names of the Rescuers” and spend 6 minutes watching a video of 6 quiet and poised women mounted on horses, one on a stallion, successfully leading more than 100 horses through flood waters to dry land without incident. No dead horses, no colts with ruined feet, no young buffalo with broken legs – just 100+ horses following their leaders through a dangerous situation as horses naturally follow the band stallion. Please examine your practices and bring them into line with our modern world!
they haven’t but they also don’t knock the horses either, like Sierra Club, I will support this because it’s cruel, these are a native american species being killed and harassed for cows, a very non-native species.
Our government is making a “big deal” about Asian Carp — now they want to figure out how to feed them to people under an “assumed name.” So if Asian Carp are so devastating in that they “kill all the native species” why is the government so blind to the (Asian) cattle that have permeated practically every acres of our public lands? The cattle are “supposedly” being “managed” but that is just a lot of hooey. If this nation had been “settled (there’s that word for desecration and destruction of Indian peoples again) by fishmongers, I am sure the Asian Carp people would be getting boo-coo moolah from US government to “farm” their invasive species.
I am going to write and remind these fools that tourists don’t visit the West to see cows, we visit(i.e.spend money) to see wild horses, buffalo, wolves, eagles,etc. so they really need to STOP KILLING THEM!!!!!!! the western states seem to be shooting themselves in the foot, as they make money from TOURISM, NOT from cows. And yes the internet has bared their dirty deeds for the whole world to see, and the world is watching and is not ignoring what is happening.
Remember in the fall when everyone was agonizing over HOW we could get the message out to the nation as a whole about what was happening to our wild horses and burros? Well, I certainly think we have all made progress in that area! I personally mourn the loss of every horse and burro foolishly and recklessly killed or injured in these cruel round ups, particularly because every death and injury is absolutely unnecessary! There are no words to express my gratitude to people like Elyse Gardner, Craig Downer, and Terri Farley for putting themselves right into the front lines and staying there, regardless of the obvious pain the plight of the horses causes them all! I think, Jan, those of you who live in the West are the ideal ones to write about the tourism issue, which is very important to the coffers of all the western states. Louie, I went to the Animal Law Coalition web site and was just devastated by terrible pictures of horses awaiting slaughter. I believe that getting the anti horse slaughter bill passed is one of the most important things we can work on. If we could get that bill passed, we would not have to worry so much about states coming out with their own horse slaughter houses or our horses being exported to slaughter in Mexico and Canada (except by the criminal element that always breaks the law, but at least we could put them in jail!). The Europeans, I understand, think they are eating horses that are raised on lush grassy meadows in idyllic conditions. They are just beginning to have news reports about the true conditions in the horse slaughter houses of North and South America. It is dawning on them slowly that the horses they are eating are probably some former family pet, loaded with chemicals, some former family pet, stolen, some former working horse (from the race track, for instance), kicked aside by his owners, and our American wild horses, illegally taken to slaughter. I personally believe the BLM’s boldness in rounding up so many horses on our Public Lands at this time is because they know they can find a way to get them to slaughter one way or another. I cannot tell you how repugnant the idea of eating a horse is to me, and I have never known it to be marketed as fresh meat by anyone around me in my lifetime. But I can also tell you that during the time of Wild Horse Annie, horsemeat was commonly sold in cans in our grocery stores for dogfood! As Louie said, there is excellent information about the most recent attempt to pass a anti horse slaughter bill on the Animal Law Coalition site. The article, “Help Pass the Prevention of Equine Cruelty Act” tells you how to take action with your own representatives.
Now, where are we with the In Defense of Animals lawsuit? The last I heard the court case was scheduled to continue April 30. Is this still on, or has the date been moved into May?
Good question (and great roundup of thoughts, too!)
I thought there was a “second” lawsuit (specifically to return the horses to the range — that was going to be heard prior to 4/30 — the 4/30 date is the date I recall for the “big” lawsuit. But I thought IDA/Downer/Farley et all also filed a second one with an earlier hearing date. . .
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE STATES THAT ARE RAMPING UP TO REINTRODUCE SLAUGHTER AT THE SAME TIME AS THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR IS OFFERING TO MOVE THE HORSES TO THE MIDWEST AND EAST–KIND OF LIKE THE SPIDER INVITING THE FLY IN. HOW CONVENIENT TO HAVE THE HORSES SO MUCH CLOSER.
yes, but 3 of those states have now taken those proposals off the table, overwhelming negative responses, and Montana voted it down as well, at least the town of Hardin did. Our voices ARE being heard on this front at least.
I HAD NOT EVEN KNOWN THE WHOLE AWFUL TRUTH ABOUT HORSE SLAUHTER UNTIL RECENTLY. THEY ARE ONLY STUNNED. I LISTENED TO A RADIO SHOW WITH PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE HEART HAS TO STAY BEATING SO THE WHOLE ASSEMBLY LINE PROCESS IS DONE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE–IT IS ALL ABOUT PRODUCTION. PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT HORSE SLAUGHTER IS ALRIGHT NEED TO KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENS. I AM NOT WILLING TO LET THEM TURN AWAY AND IGNORE IT.
How convenient to have the wild horses, period – just as if the BLM has been raising them like cattle and sheep on our Public Lands for slaughter. The horses in Mexico are often stabbed in the neck with a large knife and thus paralyzed, so they go to final slaughter alive but paralyzed. I know this is a terrible topic to discuss, but I want to state publicly that I would never allow anyone who is doing such work as this, whether or not it is legal in the country in which the work is occurring, within a hundred miles of me or my family. There is no respect possible to be given to people doing such work. People who can do such things to animals are sub human and not to be trusted in the general population. Can you imagine what the Mexican father killing horses all day is like as a family man with his wife and children?! Law makers who promote such a thing, veterinarians who promote such a thing, citizens who promote such a thing are either totally dead inside as human beings, or totally misinformed and/or oblivious about what happens to these animals. They should all be forced to look at footage of the work in the horse slaughter houses taken secretly by various photographers over the years, forced to look at it and receive the full impact of it as human beings. I look at horses and all I can say is, “Who cannot love a horse? They are so beautiful!” The venom, the nastiness, the brutality of the anti-horse crowd is absolutely beyond my understanding, but, to go back to the beginning, that could be because our family would never tolerate such people anywhere near us! Then, over the years, you lose track of the fact that there are even such people in the world, which is very unrealistic. It is shocking to rediscover them, though!
We have to get up to speed about that very important IDA lawsuit. The last time I asked about this, someone on the blog looked it up and said the case would go to court again April 30th. That is Friday! In the meantime, a few weeks ago IDA went to court and filed a SECOND lawsuit, which is an attempt to force the BLM to return the horses held in the Fallon holding corrals to their ranges as assigned by the 1971 law. That is pending, too. I thought that the second case was very good, because it could answer early for the judge dealing with the first case, the question (in case he wanted to ask it of IDA) – “What do you propose the BLM should do with these horses rounded up in the Calico Complex?” This way, the question is answered early by a second lawsuit and everyone should get the picture – we want those horses returned to the Calico Complex! It just struck me as a good thing to do, to file the second case, and so now we need to find out if IDA is really going back to court with the first case April 30, the day after tomorrow!!
I should stop and get to my chores, but there is one other thing that I think is important to say. Our President has it easily within his powers to settle this matter in five minutes. Salazar and the BLM serve at the President’s pleasure – any time of the day or night he can call them and tell them exactly what he wants them to do. He does not need to battle with Congress. He appointed Salazar, and Salazar must do what he is told. The fact that the President will not help us in this issue is very damning to his administration! I concur with the comments that conclude the President and his family are not with us (they are not horse people). Now, if only Jackie Kennedy were in the White House! – or FDR, who knew how to RUN the government, not talk it to death! By not helping in this matter, the President is being very foolish! He will find that out in the next election, and it would be such a simple thing for him to call up Salazar and say, “Ken, get those damned horses back on their ranges where they belong. You are offending a lot of nice people – good citizens. Tell the cattlemen they’ll just have to put up with it and work things out however they can. Just get the damned horses back where they belong – now!!”
Teddy Roosevelt would be great, too, although, to be cautious, I don’t know his position on wild horses! He was an outdoors man and a hunter and rode constantly. Jackie Kennedy was a horsewoman from an early age, as those in the upper class may be, and her daughter Caroline was learning to ride and care for her own pony in the White House. FDR was just tough and direct. I doubt that he was all that interested in horses, but I just have a feeling in my bones that if good citizens insisted, he would oblige Also, the NRDC has NOT EVER come forth to support the wild horses and burros at all (shame on them!), as far as I know. But we can be creative! Whenever and wherever we find a way and a place to insert a defense of the horses and burros, we should do so. I would help NRDC in its campaign to defend the buffalo anyway. But because this particular matter involved the Forest Service and the letter was going to that agency, and because I know some of our wild horses and burros are on Forest Service land (because we all had to write letters to the Forest Service not long ago about their management plan for wild horses and burros on their land)- ah, ha – a perfect place to insert the wild horses and burros!
I agree, Louie, that sunlight is a cure for a lot that is evil. You must view enough to know what is going on, but the treatment of the horses in slaughter houses is just too horrendous for words. I believe that! Everyone I know believes that! There is not one picture more that I personally need to see to be convinced that this is terrible, wicked, and a despicable horror beyond belief. When I see those terrible pictures, such as the one with the horse waiting for slaughter with one eye gouged out, I feel personally responsible for this! As human beings, we are supposed to be in charge and stewards of everything around us. We must not let down the horses this way! We must find a way to stop this! I will use the materials provided on the Animal Law Coalition site to write to my representatives again.
read a little about TR, he was a hunter, I don’t think he was a friend to wildlife, he certainly has a mixed record with Native AMericans.
I have heard the best things about Jimmy Carter as a wild horse president, then Bill CLinton, the Bushes were awful, and Obama is simply going along with the mindset of the last few years of George W. which is really a shame forAmerica and those of us who believed his message of open and honest government and change in AMerica.
JAN, AFTER LISTENING TO A BIT OF HOWARD ZINN, YOU SEE THAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PEOPLE THAT PUSHED FORWARD FOR POSITIVE CHANGE–IT DOESN’T HAPPEN FROM THE TOP DOWN. IT HAS ALWAYS HAPPENED FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
SANDRA, THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN THE BILLINGS GAZETTE. YOU HAVE TO GO TO “STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES’S HEART” BY R.T. FITCH. YOU CAN ACCESS THAT FROM THE BLOGROLL HERE, ON THE RIGHT. STATE REPRESENTATIVE IN MONTANA IS PUSHING FOR SLAUGHTER PLANT FOR HIS CHINESE BACKERS. SOME OF THE COMMENTS MAKE YOUR HAIR STAND ON END. YOU MIGHT LIKE TO COMMENT THERE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOG IN. SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE DON’T DESERVE THE LAND OR THE HORSES.
Louie, I read the article and the comments. I saw a positive side – the pro horse/anti horse slaughter writers are more than holding their own in the Comments! I took notes about John Holland’s (EWA) comments about the anti-inflammatory, phenylbutazone. If horses have been administered it even ONCE, it is illegal to process that horse for human consumption. I will find a place for that information in my writing. Here is something I have said before. In Tucson my sister’s friend recently lost their 35 year old horse. It cost $140.00 to have him hauled away by the rendering plant. That is a small amount of money, all things considered! If you can’t afford to have your old horse euthanized and then have him hauled away, you shouldn’t have a horse in the first place! It is irresponsible and inexcusable to send him to slaughter.
But, Janet Velez-Mitchell’s segment on horse slaughter makes me think the most powerful force supporting horse slaughter is the racing industry. That is why we can’t get the anti-horse slaughter through the Senate (the House is not the problem) I have often written that the “rot” is in the Senate, but here’s an even better description of the US Senate: “The Senate is the place where good bills go to get their teeth knocked out!” It is all related to commerce. Horse racing is like greyhound racing (and I have a cousin working with greyhound rescue in Michigan who fosters and has her own pack of 7) – these commercial enterprises create a large surplus of animals in the quest to get the perfect few. I’m surprised no one has suggested slaughtering excess greyhounds for food – it is certainly as disgusting an idea as eating horses! Well meaning people who send their horses to auction may know little about what may happen to the horse. Before the nay-sayers scoff at this idea, remember, Louie, how RECENTLY you, a horse lover, advocate and activist, have found out the truth about horse slaughter!! So, the general public needs more information about the dangers of sending horses to auction.
The other big factor is the criminal element. A criminal put in a horse setting will steal a horse to sell for a few dollars in the same way he might steal your TV to resell for a few dollars in a more urban area. He doesn’t care what the real value is of anything he steals – whatever he makes is “found money” to him (and probably goes straight to his drug habit)! When we sanction such a repulsive business as horse slaughter, by either having plants here or finding a loophole to send horses over the border, we are simply encouraging a criminal element to operate.
I bring these points up because being against horse slaughter is not just because we love horses in some “silly way”- there are practical (also scientific) reasons for it. But, I’ll tell you, I know I am in the sleazy part of town with this issue, so I’m certainly glad I am here with the wild horses & burros and the good people like all of you who support their welfare!
Noticed (watching the KY Derby from “around the corner — room next to TV) that Dodge Ram was “The Official Truck of the KY Derby.” I went to their website and thrashed around until I found a contact page; chose first choice “New Vehicle” and wrote to them expressing my concern that they realize there is a “dark side” to the racing industry and asking them to be responsible members of the business community by working for making the racing industry a more humane and responsible industry.