Wild horse advocates, BLM spar over disease outbreak at Fallon facility and foal deaths

Article from Mark Robison on the Reno Gazette online blog, please read here.

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84 Responses to “Wild horse advocates, BLM spar over disease outbreak at Fallon facility and foal deaths”

  1. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Mark Robison has set up his research to read as ‘BLM said’ and ‘Ginger said’ so it it simple enough. There will be an article from this, I wonder if he will remain somewhat neutral? The first comment is about the fantasy world that ‘wild horse advocates’ live in. I did not read anything from Ginger that resembled fantasy remarks. She was her usual sensible self. Maybe the anti wild horse advocate lives in a dream world where he thinks he is right all the time and cannot accept any other input from outside sources? Dream on. We have to live in the reality that the horses in Fallon have had a rough time and it isn’t over. Life or death in a holding facility is not what these horses deserve. Their welfare should be the concern of even the all- BLM- trusting anti wild horse advocate commenter who has come to to put us down as if we were a bunch of sniggly children who have no contact with horses ever. In my world even sniggly kids have the right to have their say and be respected for speaking out. mar

  2. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    My comment is awaiting approval. mar

    • sandra longley Says:

      I made a comment as well, it says comments are not approved on the weekend..like the BLM..they are understaffed..Which by the way was the reponse to most all my suggestions to Dr. Kane..They cannot manage the horses on the range and they can’t manage them in the holding areas for that reason..But they think they are doing just fine and this gather is in line with all other gathers in terms of deaths and problems..but when I asked for the site to go to to check that out for my self he pointed out that until this gather they have only reported deaths during the gathering process…”then how do you know the numbers are within the same range if you do not document them” i asked..answered..they are with in the ‘database” but not to the general public..so if this is true -we need a freedom of information request to prove and see what those numbers are..we can’t just challenge what they say..we have to go get the proof..Proof is what we are missing in this equation…we need materials and evidence that will meet the standards in a court of law..Its out there we have to find it and make those pieces of evidence the cornerstone of our arguments.

      • sandra longley Says:

        I might add that it was not a contentcious conversation altho there were a few times when I heard the frustration in his voice and those were about facts I quoted from my research of BLMs own figures and statements-if I had facts and figures I quoted them..if not..I listened intently so I know where I need to go next to get figures to counter statements..
        I do think the fact that I can speak as a member of the horse industry, as a breeder, stallion owner, a ranch manager..and as someone a part of a large group who can and will be affected by an outbreak of PF close to an area I live adds a different perspective..It actually has a significant impact in terms of economic impact that is purely business orientated..Stallion infertility related to initial temp. elevation. 30 to 45 days, and mare abortions related to contracting PF..as this is not the normal time of year for an outbreak..it is in the fall, breeding season is over and mares are not late term..most have foaled by june, and would be in first or second trimester at an outbreak of PF..I pointed out, that since this is the “wrong” time of year for an outbreak, large horseshows in the reno area attract horses from around the US..specifically this month in reno, a big cutting..and alot of dollars come into the state of Nevada from those shows…will an alert be issued to state vets as a warning..NO..but I am thinking he will have to rethink that or suffer the consequences..I am considering the value of getting the horse industry involved in this-raising some angry voices..Now I know there are some advocates who consider the horse industry a dirty word..but if you truly have the wild horses interests at heart..you might want to rethink that attitude. And ask for some help instead of painting the horse owners as the enemy.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        If there was an outbreak of PF in Wyoming last fall it may have affected the holding horses in Rock Springs. You said it was state wide. The McCullough Peaks horses were taken in the north and shipped south in late October. They are also up for adoption, see new notice here. If they were infected we should find out how this ran its course, if it did. Should there be an adoption? What is the current status of the Rock Springs holding horses? They were being processed in late October/November and that included gelding. I have heard nothing about them all winter. I fear they may have had a rough time. mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        Mar, I pointed out to Dr. Kane that there had been an outbreak of PF in WYO last fall and 100 head alone had been reported in cheyenne..thats just reported..many go unreported..and basically the attitude is that it is everywhere..and my response was everywhere does not have hundreds and thousands of horses in basically feedlot situations with horses that cannot be isolated and cared for..so we have no protocols that say what will happen..and of course the response is we have dealt with this before..How do we know the holding facilities are not responsable for the start of these outbreaks????

      • sandra longley Says:

        I also suggested to Dr. Kane, since these horses are all freeze branded, the horses who have had pigeon fever should have that noted on their paperwork..That is not currently done..I told him you cannot ship those horses across state lines knowing the new owners are unaware of that..He said as a breeder I wouldn’t do that..and I responded..I wouldn’t be in business long as a reputable breeder..if I didn’t..i give a complete history on every horse.-otherwise it could come back to bite me, and also it would not serve the best interests of the horse. You start playing with smoke and mirrors and sooner or later you will catch youself on fire.

      • sandra longley Says:

        I also asked Dr. Kane How I could monitor the facilities where horses are being held back east in lifetime facilities..there currently is no source of info..He said they are working on that.. I told him I would like to know how many horses are dying back there and if there are any outbreaks of diseases. I shouldn’t have to pay to fly back there and take a tour of them..I don’t even know where they are and if on private land, can I go see them..We need to rent some bus caravans and take a tour…mustang sally buses….sign me up!

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        If we contact Rock Springs and ask about this it will be very interesting to learn if the horses did have an outbreak during their processing also. The source is still unknown. But the facility, becoming filled may still have been a source if it had been there before. Cattoors did the McCullough Peaks round up and transported those horses to Rock Springs and then came to NV and did the same with Calico Complex horses to Fallon. Maybe their trucks are a possble source, too. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Yes, I very much want to know all the facilities addresses and get people to visit and ask for visitation and get out there and document what they see and learn what has been going on. I think there will be an opportunity for people to contribute information about holding horses and we should repost the list and the names of the holding facilities because locals do know where they are. Some are National Grasslands in OK and Kansas, but there are many on the list and they need exposure. Remember that holding horses are still for sale and adoptable. They are being removed all the time. We need to make the holding facilities our destinations as much as the roundups. mar

    • Barb S Says:

      My comment is waiting approval also. I take issue with the first anti-horse commentor trying to “box in” the advocates as being “left wing” tea party people. Geez—

  3. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    MAR, SO IS MINE. THIS IS ONE THAT IS WORTH THE TIME.

  4. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I AM BEGINNING TO THINK THAT THEY PUT THE SNIPERS IN JUST TO DRAW AN AUDIENCE. IT’S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ANYONE REALLY THINKS LIKE THEY DO.

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      And very few Bureau-ists say anything Publicly positive about the Captives; it’s as if compassion or admiration for them would be taken as a sign of weakness or regret.
      I might be less acrimonious toward the Bureau as a whole if just one of them had spoken out FOR these animals. Their adversarial approach toward us and lack of empathy for the Equines doesn’t further their ‘agenda’; it furthers the impression of a corrupt agency operating in a spiteful & irresponsible manner.

      • sandra longley Says:

        I have actually heard some ranchers in nevada who are all for removing the horses give grudging respect to the horses for being tuff enough to survive out there..They know how tuff it is to make a living in that country, and the horses do it with the deck stacked against them..Still they do not want to be at the bottom of the food chain-they are willing to see the horses go to save their own hide. But they need to look further down the line instead of hiding their head in the sand..they no longer hold the deck of cards..it is energy and mining ahead of them..So after the horses are gone..they will be next in line..Energy and corporations have more value to the agency than the cows. And if those concerns eat up all the water sources..next it will be the cows who have no water…

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        It has been happening already and they still see the horse as taking something from them. Of course there are exceptions but they are like islands out there in a sea of change bearing down on All of us now… this is the calm before the storm. mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        Yeah, well they should have a wake up call, the price of beef is too high(the middle man) and I say several” hail marys “before i eat a hamburger-and give the sign of the cross..I would rather make a sandwich out of my fingernails…

  5. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    Mr. Robison’s comment replies usually don’t get published until the following Monday.
    And have you noticed – no matter what disease or disorder befalls these Captives, the BLM spokesperson of the hour can always justify it – that it was pre-exisiting or it was gonna happen anyway? Not once, NOT ONCE, have they taken responsibility for anything that has happened to these animals since they removed them from their home.
    Talk about spin.

    • sandra longley Says:

      So we start making them show proof..They are a government agency-they have to have documentation,,if they don’t give it..we go after it..Keep directing questions at them, not accusations..sooner or later they have to answer questions ..they can dismiss accusations..Think of how a legal case is developed, on a legal concept..questions are asked of the witnesses, first you build a BIG pasture fence-then you tighten that fence down into corrals chutes and alleyways, and in the end you catch them in a squeeze chute…by their own words and deeds and written documentation or a lack thereof…

      • jan eaker Says:

        I really think that BLM is finding it difficult to believe that there is a demand for them to be accountable for their actions. For too many years they have done as they pleased with no questions asked. They are used to deflecting accusations, they do not know how to deal with intelligent questions from multiple sources; their attempts at spin are not working, as we are not believing it and keep questioning, we are not being put off by the “snipers” and the misinformation that has been ok for so long. Enough people are now demanding real numbers, real statistics, real counts of horses, real information about grazing and range conditions. They are waiting for this all to go away, and it just keeps getting bigger by the day.

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        Sandra – every time they report another ‘disorder’ among the Captives, I run for the books or Internet just to see if I can find back-up. Like the miscarriage storm, hyperlipdemia, and now, pigeon fever – none of which would have affected them if they had been left alone where they were. The continual citing of mortalities on the range annoys me no end. The Bureau don’t get it.
        If they WERE starving, better to perish on their own terms and in their own house than be ‘ministered to’ by the ignorant in whose care the death toll rises daily.

      • sandra longley Says:

        Yes he mentioned all the mis information on the blogs, and i pointed out that they had the opportunity to release the PF information on their page and didn’t do it, i got the info on the blog about the outbreak, and pointed out if they wanted to be credible they needed to get the information out first..Again I think they are just not accustomed to doing that, and I told him-look-this issue is not going away just because the roundups end or the horses get shipped out..I said I am personally jacked up about it-and i am not every going to take my eye off of it again, that i had thought the horses were protected by the 71 law..I am not a bleeding heart, but I am someone with a conscience..and i need better answers and solutions..and then went into a discussion about the need to use PZP more effectively..we covered alot of ground..LOL

      • jan eaker Says:

        Lisa, go to Elyse’s blog, she has new video from Calico from October, these horses were NOT starving, they are fat actually, gleaming coats, happy and free, and now look at them, what a tragedy this is,
        I do agree with you, however, I also believe that, given the choice, these horses would much rather take their chances on their rangelands, then exist as they are right now;

  6. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    WE NEED ALL OF OUR GOOD LETTER WRITERS TO GO IN ON THIS ONE. IGNORE THE SNIPERS–DON’T LET THEM SIDETRACK YOU. THIS IS THE PLACE TO LAY OUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION.

  7. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I FINALLY GOT OVER TO CAT KINDSFATHER’S PICTURE SLIDE SHOW–SHE GOT PICTURES OF THE FEEDLOT. TAKE A LOOK. THE HORSES CAN’T EVEN REACH THE HAY, AS IT IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PENS–SORT OF LIKE THE WAY THEY FEED MILK COWS DURING MILKING . THE HAY GETS PUSHED OUT OF THEIR REACH.
    CAT HAD MENTIONED THAT IN ONE OF HER COMMENTS AFTER VISITING THE FACILITY. SHE AND THE OTHER VISITORS HELPED PUSH THE HAY BACK SO THEY COULD GET IT. THERE WAS ONLY ONE EMPLOYEE ON STAFF, OR AT LEAST, ONLY ONE WHO WAS OUT THERE FEEDING.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Yes, i was hoping Cat would show here so I could tell her I can see all her photos now so easily because of the links in the article. Now you are Infamous! Cat…
      but you have done a great job showing people something they may not have had the chance to see. Love it, mar

    • sandra longley Says:

      Can you post the link? cats kindfather is not getting me to it

  8. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    WOW, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES LAST NIGHT. STAYED UP UNTIL 2:30 A.M. TRYING TO CATCH UP. THIS MORNING–THERE THEY ARE! I TRIED TO EMAIL THE ONE OF THE FOAL TO JANE VALEZ-MITCHELL AT CNN. THEY DIDN’T SEND, AS THE EMAIL THEY GIVE YOU IN REPLY TO YOUR MESSAGE CANNOT BE USED FOR SENDING. DOES ANYONE ELSE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT?

  9. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP FROM THE GAZETTE ARTICLE. IF NOT, GO TO THE FEBRUARY POST ON THIS SITE–THE ONE WITH THE VALENTINE HEARTS TO SEND–LOOK UNDER COMMENTS AND YOU CAN PULL IT UP THERE.

  10. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA, I THINK IT IS GOOD THAT YOU DID DONATE TO IDA. I HAD GOTTEN A REQUEST THROUGH EMAIL FOR A DONATION. THEY ARE SPENDING QUITE A BIT ON THESE LAWSUITS AND OUR DONATIONS GIVE THEM SOME MORE FUEL AND INCENTIVE. NOW IS THE TIME FOR SOME LEGAL CLOUT.

  11. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I PULLED CAT’S COMMENT AND LINK FORWARD.

    mustangdreams… Cat Kindsfather Says:
    February 24, 2010 at 10:30 am | Reply
    Hello its me!
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/28171983@N08/4378090045/

    And please follow the link to my photo stream on flickr.com,
    to see some shots from the Carson City “TRUTH RALLY” which include portraits of Elyse Gardner and Craig Downer. I was very impressed that they hoofed it back from the Vegas rally to be here on the 20th! Hope you enjoy the pictures!
    I made many of the signs. Also there is a great video on UTUBE from channel 4 news in Reno, covering the rally. I will come back and post the link for it.

    • sandra longley Says:

      Thanks Louie!

      • sandra longley Says:

        I would like Cat to post the picture of the bay horse with the lacerated shoulder up on a blog so we could discuss it and find out what happened to that horse, need the date of that picture, and does anyone have pictures of the foal with the broken leg that was put down? Pictures need to be identified by date and location so that may be used as evidence.

  12. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    YOU WILL ENJOY ALL OF CAT’S PHOTOS. I FELT LIKE I HAD TAKEN A TRIP TO TAHOE AND VERY MUCH RECHARGED AFTERWARDS.

  13. jan Says:

    i had glenn beck’s personal email at fox news – dont know if jane v has personal email – most of them have a blog but dont know if u can email to that and they are on twitter and facebook too

    just got done reading article on aol – calif state dept of fish is killing sea lions in northern calif and oregon for eating endangered fish – so far they have killed 11 or caught and sent to zoos – another 60 are being tracked – i cant believe it the govt just kills something that is eating something else the govt feels is in danger – its like with the horses – they are eating grass supposedly needed by cows so they round them up and let them die or kill them – our govt is so out of the wishes of the american public – srry just makes me mad that one species has to die so another can live

    • sandra longley Says:

      sea lions wild horses and buffalo don’t vote or contribute to political campaigns and those who are against them do..Thats why we need to show we are a big strong and vocal organization-with a full time lobbiest in DC.

  14. jan Says:

    i wonder if someone could contact geroge knapp from that tv station in nevada to go down to fallon and do a indepth study of what is going on and report it on the news

  15. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JAN, GEORGE HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTACTED AND HE IS DOING JUST THAT. ANYTHING THAT HE CAN DO HE WILL DO, YOU CAN BET ON THAT.

  16. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    DON’T KNOW WHETHER THESE WILL HELP. THEY WERE IN THE EMAIL I RECEIVE WHEN THEY RESPONDED TO ME WHEN I THANKED JANE FOR HER SHOW.

    Follow Jane on Twitter:
    Click here http://twitter.com/issueswithjvm

    Become a fan of Jane on Facebook:
    Click here http://www.facebook.com/JaneVelezMitchellHLN

  17. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    ALL OF OUR COMMENTS ARE BEING MODERATED. HOW DID THE SNIPER GET IN SO SOON?

  18. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    LISTENED (TWICE), LAST NIGHT, TO THE MOST RECENT SHOW WITH GINGER, ELYSE AND CRAIG. ELYSE SAID THAT WHEN SHE CALLED TO REPORT THE PIGEON FEVER TO ONE OF THE OFFICALS IN CHARGE–HE ASKED “WHAT PIGEON FEVER?”.

  19. jan Says:

    went and looked at cat’s photos – could that one picture of a horse with injury on hip – have the pigeon fever instead of an injury from roundup – looks nasty

    • sandra longley Says:

      Most likely not PF, it drains to the lower points of the body, that flank injury looks like an abcess most likely from a bite-the force of an attack has alot of power behind it and can cause a tremendous amount of tissue damage..I had a mare that lost the enire top of her hip from an abcess from a bite. The hole was approx 3in dep and 8″ x 12″-I had seen the bite happen out in the field-it left tooth marks but barely broke the skin..in about two weeks she could barely move-at first we thought it was a broken pelvis-once the abcess broke she could walk again.

  20. jan Says:

    i wish ginger or one of you could beg and implore jane velez mitchell to come out to fallon to do a report directly from the holding pens – but blm probably would not let a camera crew in

  21. jan Says:

    i looked at cat’s photos – how sad for all the horses – they are depressed – wouldnt you be if you lost your freedom – and they all look healthy – where is the skin and bones – and the babies – you cry when u see those photos

  22. jan Says:

    i got letter in mail to donate to humane society – baloney on that one – would not give them a dime unless they start helping save our wild horses

  23. Linda Says:

    File this under BLM/”Big Lie”. Read more about the concept/philosophy at:

    http://www.answers.com/topic/big-lie

    • sandra longley Says:

      WOW, so true this excerpt pretty well nails it..THE BIG LIE!

      His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[5]

      Lets just make sure we don’t use those same principles……

  24. lisa norman Says:

    In the worst economy since the great depression, why did government spend $1.9 million to round up these horses in the first place? Why do taxpayers pay $100,000 p/day to “warehouse” wild horses when they are healthy on range and adoptions are down? You can do what you need to do but “wild horses couldn’t drag me away” from these horses when they need us to be their voices and stewards.

  25. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THIS PETITION IS ON THE CARE2 WEBSITE. A CALLER FROM ALABAMA TOLD EVERYONE THAT THIS NEVADA LAW GIVES THE POWER TO RESCUE GROUPS TO STEP IN.
    Charge Salazar/BLM/Catoor with Animal Cruelty & &&&&&&
    Target:
    Eric H. Holder, Jr. – US Attorney General
    Sponsored by:
    American Citizens, owners of the Wild Mustangs & Burros
    The death toll in the Calico roundups is 119 and rising daily. A federal judge advised the BLM not to do these roundups but they did it anyway. Two colts had their hooves literally run off when chased relentlessly by the helicopters, they laid in agony on the cold ground for 10 days before they died. The mustangs are suffering metabolic breakdown and languishing in captivity. Animal cruelty as described in Section 574.100 of NV law prohibits the overdriving, overloading, torture, cruel beating or unjustifiable injuring, maiming, mutilation or killing of an animal as well as deprivation of necessary sustenance, food or drink. On the last day of roundup, 30 horses were left in traps overnight without water after being chased many miles by helicopter, which in itself is torture. THESE MUSTANGS WERE STOLEN FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC: Theft is usually defined as the unlawful taking of another person’s property without their consent & with intent to permanently deprive the victim(s) of the property. WE THE PEOPLE DID NOT GIVE OUR CONSENT FOR THESE MUSTANGS TO BE REMOVED FROM OUR PUBLIC LAND. No one is above the law and Ken Salazar, Bob Abbey, and Catoor need to be arrested and charged with Animal Cruelty/Torture/Neglect and Theft of Property and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    • sandra longley Says:

      Louie, state laws do not apply to the federal government..even federal bureocracies do not have power over the blm, i found that out in my calls..Now the state vets can issue a statement that nevada horses cannot be transported through their states because of an outbreak, and congress could mandate something by dening use of appropriated funds for some purpose..But states cannot tell the BLM what to do or mandate it..they are somewhat untouchable..which is something we need to change

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        But they may need to remain contained at Fallon holding if this PF has not run its course by the adoption date. I think the state has the right to challenge any irresponsible actions concerning the outbreak. Even the feds would back down if the state and cattle association called for them to remain.

        Cattoors are only a contractor. They are not immune to state laws. If the Holding Facility is leased by the feds it is technically not private but Gov. There is a lot of BS about all this. But BLM has not got Diplomatic Immunity and there are things the state can do but chooses not to. Besides, there are federal laws, too. what do we know abut them?? mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        Given what I know about nevada and its politics..I would not hold out hope..nevada is always putting pressure on the BLM to get rid of the horses, they are a driving force behind it..The prejudice against the wild horses runs deep.

  26. mustangdreams... Cat Kindsfather Says:

    HELLO EVERYBODY!! CAT HERE! MY EARS WERE RINGING……ha ha

    I want to answer a few questions I saw being asked.

    First of all, the photo that I call, “One Day Foal” Is my photo that I shot on March 21st. Also the dark horse alone in the BLM Sick Pens with the horrid looking left front shoulder wound, that has apparent oozing down to the hoof, was also photographed by me on March 21st during the BLM tour led by John Neil, facility manager, The tour, of course, was @ Fallon facility, otherwise known as, “Indian Lakes Road” or “Broken Arrow.” March 21st was my last visit. We were not able to see our horses this Sunday, today, due to Easter. Don Glenn refused an alternate visiting day, although Craig Downer had written him and requested one. Visits will continue next Sunday, 11:00 to 1:00, only ten people by appointment only. I hope to get a reservation.

    Also, the shot of mine that has two horses in the sick pen,( one has a horrid hind flank wound), is from the tour visit on February 28th, 2010. I don’t think there were any cases of the pigeon fever at that time. I did not notice any or hera any other visitors on the tour of March 21st, discussing that, but, apparently Elyse has stated there was notice of some cases that day. Mark Robison’s online story mentions this. She was not at the facility that day, but some other women, associated with Cloud I believe, from Cal-Neva, were there, and could have seen some cases and reported it to Elyse perhaps. Not real sure on the facts on this one!

    The Cloud Foundation has the 3 photographs being discussed here, and I have given them use permissions for those shots. You can contact Anne Novak about them @ The Cloud Foundation, or me, right here. I will try to keep up with this thread.

    I got an important email from Bonnie Matton regarding the urgency of calls to be made Monday. There will be some voting on Tuesday. Let me get back with this nfo. See ya!

  27. jan Says:

    thank God for people like cat and others who can go in with cameras and photograph the truth – and i hope all these photos get made public – send to news media – so people can really see what the blm is doing to our wild horses

  28. jan Says:

    i sent cat photos to jane v mitchell – found her email on her twitter page – hope they go thru – its jane@cnn.com – i will get notice frm aol if it bounces

    also asked her to bring a film crew to fallon

  29. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    Bonnie Matton? What calls today?

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yes, calls to be made? Voting on Tuesday? Is this something legislative? A quick check on the Senate committee for ROAM showed no hearings for April yet…

  30. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    CAT WAS ON HER WAY TO A RALLY AND HER CAR BROKE DOWN. IT WAS SNOWING. SHE STOOD OUT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, BY HERSELF, IN THE SNOW WITH A SIGN.

  31. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    DO YOU SUPPOSE THEY ARE GOING TO ACCEPT ANY OF OUR LETTERS IN THE GAZETTE? SO FAR, THE SNIPER IS ALL ALONE.

  32. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA LONGLEY FOUND THIS–THIS IS THE BONNIE MATTON THAT CAT IS TALKING ABOUT.

    http://theandbetween.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/part-three-of-three-all-the-management-tools/

  33. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    WOW–OUR LETTERS ALL GOT IN.

    • sandra longley Says:

      I am so proud of everyones comments-so focused and professional, and spot on..hard to argue with logic!!

  34. jan Says:

    i have to apolgize to cloud email – i sent a video i got from a friend and it has bad lang but its true – if you want to ck it out its george carlin on youtube so just google and shd come up he is talking on who really owns america and that we the people dont matter a hill of beans to them or what we want – its all about the money and the power structure in washington and they will continue to do as they please – made me mad so srry for video with bad lang but it spoke the truth

    loved the pictures from pryor – those horses are happy and you know it

  35. jan Says:

    the email i used for jane velez mitchell works as i got reply thanking me for mail and cat’s photo link was in reply – you guys who have all the real hard data on the blm – send to her – her staff must be reading it – the email is jane@cnn.com but dont overwhelm her i tend to do that to some of the people i email – trying to get them fired up save horses too but if you can get cnn on board – that would be great – i gave up on fox news reporting it

  36. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JAN, GREAT. THANK YOU. IT MIGHT HELP FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT IT MAKES A GOOD STORY AND THAT PEOPLE DO TUNE IN TO WATCH–IT IS ALL ABOUT RATINGS.

  37. Linda Says:

    I’m putting this up in several places, because I want feedback – positive, negative, whatever.

    The BLM doesn’t act, it reacts! In my opinion, they are creating and perpetuating their own crisis by not implementing sound management practices on the HMAs on a continuing basis.

    As I understand it, the BLM pretty much ignores wild horse and burro reproduction on the HMAs for about 4 years. When herd populations increase beyond the published AMLs, their reaction is mass removal (“It’s raining wild horses!”). Then they process the wild ones “for adoption”, knowing full-well the overwhelming majority will never be adopted. Again, they perpetuate their own crisis.

    A bit off-topic, but I was curious as to why Obama chose to hold Salaczar over from the Cheney/Bush administration and keep him on the job. From what I gathered, appealing to Hispanic voters was and is the major contributing factor. “Qualifications”, “expertise”, and “job performance” not so much.

    • Linda Says:

      I think this is the last place I need correct my bad fact check about the DOI secretaries. Cheney/Bush = Norton, Clarke, Hughes. Obama = Salaczar. Again, only the names changed, not the policies.

  38. jan Says:

    did not know salazar was in bush adm – thot he was recommended to obama because people want to hunt in our national parks which are under dept of interior and salazar was recommended for the job because he is for hunting in natl parks

  39. jan Says:

    yes and it was under bush that the conrad burns act got signed by bush = because reid asked burns to do something about the horses because of the ranchers wanted them gone – i was going to look up to see how much the ranchers give to lobby in washington – must be a hunk of money if it influences people to kill off our national treasures

  40. jan Says:

    i keep sending stuff to jon marvel over at the watershed website and i sent him the data on the ranchers pay to graze their cattle in public lands and how the govt is operating at a loss – he said the public needs to know how much blm is spending on that program and the loss of money and now blm wants more money to round up more horses to put in pens – guess another email to jane is in order

  41. jan Says:

    friend told me she heard on news that there is to be a wild horse adoption meeting up here in high desert in victorville this week – the last one in this area was in redlands, dont know how many horses were adopted or where horses were from

  42. jan Says:

    heard on news that 3 governors are going to sue federal govt on health care bill, including governor of nevada – would he be so inclined to file a lawsuit against the blm for the horses

  43. jan Says:

    i belong to worldstart – its a computer newsletter and they post non business websites so i sent them link for cloud and explained a little bit about what its about so maybe it will get posted

    i dont know if i got link from here or another website – visit so many of them but the interview with jane velez mitchell pops up on youtube now if you google anything about wild horses on youtube – i think thats how i got it

  44. Anna Says:

    Linda Says:

    April 6, 2010 at 5:57 pm | Reply

    The BLM doesn’t act, it reacts! In my opinion, they are creating and perpetuating their own crisis by not implementing sound management practices on the HMAs on a continuing basis.

    As I understand it, the BLM pretty much ignores wild horse and burro reproduction on the HMAs for about 4 years. When herd populations increase beyond the published AMLs, their reaction is mass removal (“It’s raining wild horses!”). Then they process the wild ones “for adoption”, knowing full-well the overwhelming majority will never be adopted. Again, they perpetuate their own crisis.
    Anne White’s Comment:

    That is exactly right; the BLM puts Stallions and unfixed Mares BACK on the range to “satisfy wild mustangs folks;

    however; the unseen reason the BLM puts back on the Range a RATIO OF 50% STALLIONS TO 50% MARES IS;

    the BLM uses the RANGELAND TO BREED MUSTANGS;

    then say; whoops; we bred too many; better round em up

    the only viable option are WILD MUSTANG PRESERVATIONS which would be huge tracts of good land’
    managed by competant folks; BLM breeds Mustangs…

    in the name of Preserving them; only to ROUND THEM UP !

    that’s a Scheme ! “87 mustangs @ Fallon “Bit the dust! : (

    • sandra longley Says:

      Anna we are fighting to have the mustangs left on the land where they belong, not moved to a reservation..that is the course of last resort..not first resort..I think you are on the wrong track here anna..the BLM would like nothing more than for every horse to be gone off of the land, and if wwe stepped out of the way, thats exactly what will happen..they keep reducing the herds to unviable numbers..In order to keep inbreeding from occuring there needs to be a certain amount of horses in a HMA..stallions by and large have the most control over that diversity, as mares only contribute 1 foal a year..1 stallion can contribute many..that is why the need for as many stallions..its genetic diversity.

  45. Anna Says:

    “87 Mustangs @ Fallon have perished @ the mangement of the BLM.gov; this does not include Foals and miscarries;

    John Neill said: “the way I can tell which Mare has miscarried (during the night); when we check the pens; the mares who miscarried are “curled up like a Greyhound !
    that is sad !

    my comment: “and another mustang gone; and another mustang gone; and another one bites the dust…(Queen)
    stop the BLM! speak out against the madness; if you dare

    • sandra longley Says:

      Anna, would you please copy and paste that quote here from the BLM website, because I sure didn’t read that the mares were curled up like greyhounds..Now being a breeder of horses, i can tell you that when a mare aborts her belly tucks up “like a greyhound” and that is just a natural thing..just as a mare does when she foals..there is no difference..except that she has a baby by her side when she delivers.

      • sandra longley Says:

        Now when a mare aborts a late term foal-it will be found in a fetal position dead because it never took a breath
        or struggled to get up..it remains curled as it is in the womb.

  46. Jan Eaker Says:

    Yes, Anna , please provide a link to the quote by John Neill, and we are ALL speaking out against any more roundups, but we are all trying very hard to get our facts right and not spread misinformation, if you are misquoting people, that does not help the horses at all, so please, make sure that what you are saying can be verified. I too have not seen any comment like that on any of the sites.

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