Senate Energy and Natural Resources committee update on today’s hearing

Both Senators Murkowski and Landrieu addressed the wild horse issue. In opening comments vice chair Murkoski voiced her “concern” about the direction the agency” – she said something to the effect that she was concerned about moving more horses to the east and not managing on the range.

Landrieu was terrific talking about her concern of the program and how the horses have lost millions of acres over the years, the inhumane roundups during winter/icy weather, and the “horses only have a measly 31 million acres”, etc. She went on for a bit and Salazar responded (looking at Landrieu and gesturing to other senators) that he has spoken with Landrieu and others about this and that he is not wedded to his proposal and looks forward to working together.

The next hearing is scheduled for Wednesday, March 24, at 10 AM, the day before March For Mustangs! Secretary Salazar is expected to speak in front of the House Appropriations Committee, Subcommittee on Interior & Environment.

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128 Responses to “Senate Energy and Natural Resources committee update on today’s hearing”

  1. Christine Says:

    Does this mean they’re moving on the ROAM Act…?

    • sandra longley Says:

      I haven’t heard of any movement..but we should get a hard hitting campaign going again-to try and get it out of comittee

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      I was looking for R.O.A.M. on the committee’s web page and couldn’t find it listed!!! ????

      • Karen L. Says:

        The ROAM bill is listed on the Legislative Calendar page under Senate bills. It is shown to have been introduced as S.1579 on August 5, 2009. It is not listed on the Hearings page because hearings have not been scheduled. (This is at the site for the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.)

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Did you see Reid’s name on it! that didn’t used to be there — OR DID IT????

      • Karen L. Says:

        That’s interesting. No, I had not seen that before, but I had not looked at that particular list; only the Calendar and Hearings list.

      • sandra longley Says:

        As majority leader of the Senate Harry Reid has the power to stop this bill from coming to the floor for a vote..we will have to raise a fuss with that comittee to get it done over his objections…I looked at the objections to the bill stated by the 7 dissenting members of congress when it passed the house..we should be prepared to address those specific issues in our letters.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Sandra, Do you copy and paste?? I learned it here… but if you find info and those names would be good to have right now… and what they said. Take a section of this post and bring us those comments and who said them… it would be really helpful and enlightening. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Mar, That meeting is archived for viewing as a webcast on the Senate Committee site.

        sandra, Harry Reid is listed as sponsor of the bill, S.1579. I think Janet was surprised.

      • Karen L. Says:

        Mar, Sorry, I misread what you wrote at 8:20 P.M. Disregard my above comment at 8:50 P.M.

    • Karen L. Says:

      I don’t think anyone there had ROAM in their minds. Salazar did say (as noted by TCF above) that he was not wedded to his own proposal, and did welcome other ideas. (Not that I believe him) However, Madeleine Pickens sent out e-mails maybe two weeks ago, saying Salazar had invited her to be on a special committee of people to find acceptable and sustainable solutions for the horses. Certainly that group would be a good place for Mary Landrieu as well! If Salazar is really interested in other ideas, he has to look no further than his own “open ideas DOI portal”, where there were several excellent suggestions. If his task force wild horse group is legitimate (not just lip service), then he may be giving outside suggestions a chance. Meanwhile, ROAM is as realistic a solution as we have, and getting it out of Committee should be a priority.

      • sandra longley Says:

        I have looked at 1579 several times, senator Byrd WV sponsered the bill, and had NO co sponsors in the house..where did you see harry reid had sponsered it?

      • Karen L. Says:

        sandra, Look down at your 10:22P.M. post from this afternoon. (These times have never been right.) Below that post I linked a page from the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee site that shows all bills sponsored by Reid; then JF linked another page from that site that shows Reid has apparently taken over sponsorship from Byrd. I know Reid was not a sponsor originally; it was strange and surprising. That’s why it was so remarkable. Please click those links if you haven’t already.

  2. jan eaker Says:

    I wish they would just return to the original intent of the 1971 law, I have emailed the President yet again, amusing blurb at the top of the email form speaks of how he wants his government to be open and accessible, which it is NOT. I have yet to get ANY response from the WH.

  3. Kathleen Says:

    BRAVO Sen Landrieu! I am so glad the great people of Louisiana have put you in the Senate. Thank you for standing up for America’s voiceless wild horses and burros.

  4. Suzanne Moore Says:

    Thanks for the update! I can’t watch the video very well on my slow connection.

    I did get a response from Senator Bingaman yesterday. It was canned, but at least it did concern the wild horse, which is better than some responses I’ve gotten.

    Keeping my fingers crossed!

    • sandra longley Says:

      Senator Bingaman also spoke, he made the opening comments-he said: Hose holding facilities were not an authorised use of the land &water conservation fund. I was disapointed to see only a few senators showed up for the comittee meeting, when senator Landrieu spoke there were only 2 senators there, however they will eventually read the transcript..and i think salazar realizes his program could be in trouble

  5. cowgirlfirepony Says:

    He is not wedded to his proposal!!! Imagine that. I knew he was a flake, and does not know what he is doing or what the ultimate goal of his plans for moving the wild horses to preserves in the east. He (Salazar) makes a proposal, not realizing how much atmosity the American people would have on his removal of their horses from what rightly belongs to them by law. He needs to resign! Soon!! And Obama needs to respond to our requests, immediately!!!

  6. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Yes, i heard from Bingaman and another who did not address the subject… so sad these people take their elected offices for granted. Or is it arrogance? How can they just act so dumb and be our Representatives? mar

  7. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Landrieu rocks! mar

  8. Karen L. Says:

    Landrieu came through for the horses! She clearly grasps the issues.

  9. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Though I have yet to listen to the entire first part of the meeting, I noted that, at the very beginning, Bingaman mentioned the wild horse program.

    This was regarding the land and water conservation fund, the two authorized uses of which were a) Federal Land Acquisition Projects; and, B) the “state grant” program.

    Bingaman said, “A significant portion of the increase (pointing out $900 million dollars credited to this fund each year from OCS LEASING revenues–which may represent all or a portion of sources going to the fund for all I know)

    was going to acquisition projects “which includes a significant amount going to BLM wild horse holding facilities. He then cited 2 other programs (Forest Legacy and Cooperative Endangered Species Conservation Fund) that were good programs but not authorized uses of the fund nor are the horses’ holding facilities.”

    He said he would like to explore more of these issues in detail after the secretary makes his statement. (I haven’t heard yet the comments from Landrieu because I haven’t heard the whole webcast yet.) Murkowski reflected his comment on wild horses and burros, but threw in “overpopulation” in a way that indicated she “bought” the overpopulation spin of the BLM. Salazar didn’t mention it at all in his spiel that followed — I’m thinking Landrieu must have wrested the subject from oblivion before the meeting ended officially and got Salazar to comment — she “pulled his chain.” haha

    Should we call or write the house appropriations committee, subcommitee on Interior and Envionment?

    • sandra longley Says:

      Absolutely, we should contine to send letters to all comittee members….we still have awhile before they vote on the funding..I believe the date i saw was mar. 24..3 senators commented on it..that makes it an issue..You may notice the only senators that show up are the ones that had an issue to discuss-other than Udall..who was there to sing the praises of Salazar..I think we keep hitting them on the inappropriate use of funds…that is this comittees only decision to make…will they fund Salazars plan..other than that Landrieu is the only one taking an advocacy role for the wild horses…and shame on our western senators for not taking the lead on this-or showing more support.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      JF, Thanks for your sharp pixie ears. Bingaman has shown huge strides and we should encourage him, that is a huge plus. mar

    • Karen L. Says:

      JF, Probably good to comment to the House Appropriations Committee. Have you looked at their site? I haven’t had a chance. The Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources needs to hear from us on getting ROAM out of committee still, and the Senate Appropriations Committee has yet to reschedule its postponed meeting from Feb.24. I am looking forward to the Senate App. hearing on the DOI budget when rescheduled.

      • Karen L. Says:

        (Janet’s question was about the House Appropriations Committee—not the Senate committee that met yesterday as I am reading it.)

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Here’s some info in general: (includes links to subcommittees)
        You have to make sure you are at the right place. . . I am looking — but rushing this a.m. on household management challenges — back later: The thing is, need to find Official Website, not a back alley somewhere. haha?

        http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=House_Committee_on_Appropriations

      • Karen L. Says:

        The website is here, but this is not as organized a site as some of the Senate counterparts.
        http://appropriations.house.gov/

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Here is a thing where anyone can provide up to 4 pages of written testimony that is presented to the committee:
        I wonder if advocates could write using this vehicle? Deadline is 3/19/10 — I am just reading this fast and furious and not too carefully!

        http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/INT_Instructions_for_providing_written_testimony2.pdf

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        This could be used by TCF, and the coalition for the moratorium collection of groups. We should be sure Makendra sees this and send it also.. this could be a very formal presentation for the horses. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        JF, That written testimony page looks like a great find! Really, make sure TCF is aware of it.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Since I was here I sent the written page thing to Laura Allen (just now).

        there’s that nasty bullet calling for specifics about the program and the amount of funding. . . I wanted to ask her how to answer. . . since we would be criticising the program rather than appealing for funding for the program. .. .

        In my email to Laura I copied in the Cloud Foundation.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        and Craig Downer —

        I also included in the email the Bingaman observation re funding mustang holding facilities by unauthorized sources

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Thank you, JF, I do love (you and your ability to find things we can use…)
        mar

        Louie, we just got to be real strong and together.. it will seem to be better until it gets worse then we got to get this Moratorium because the Land Grab is becoming apparent to people now. Big Time. BLM methods are going to have to give way, they know it and so do we or they will be facing anger we will have no control over. They are so foolish to be immovable objects. It gets them more angry citizens daily. We check our anger and share the hardship but those unchecked out there are beyond us and they are the ones BLM should fear. Our anger comes with reason. mar

      • Suzanne Moore Says:

        IDA has a fax to send to the Appropriations Committee before 3/9
        https://secure2.convio.net/ida/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1409

    • LindaH Says:

      Senator Murkowski from Alaska also spoke up the the wild horses. That was good to hear also!

  10. jan Says:

    barbara boxer also wrote to ken salazar regarding the horses – someone posted it someplace on one of the comments in cloud blog – that next roundup of horses set for august, is horses in california

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Jan, This is from the new 2010 roundup… Very Much going on all over and another page… mar

      NV BLM Eagle outside 3/10/10 9/29/10 50 50 BLM Horses
      AZ BLM Black Mountain 5/3/10 5/21/10 100 100 BLM Burros bait trapping
      AZ BLM Cibola 5/26/10 5/29/10 100 100 Cattoor Burros
      NM BLM Bordo 6/1/10 6/10/10 147 147 BLM Horses
      NV BLM Owyhee 7/1/10 7/18/10 620 520 Cook Horses FC
      NV BLM Rock Creek 7/19/10 7/30/10 527 427 Cook Horses FC
      OR BLM Stinking Water 7/1/10 7/6/10 100 60 Cattoor Horses
      OR BLM Cold Springs 7/11/10 7/16/10 156 81 Cattoor Horses
      NV BLM Moriah 7/20/10 7/22/10 72 72 BLM Horses
      UT BLM Winter Ridge HA 7/18/10 7/24/10 200 200 Cattoor Horses N/A
      UT BLM Hill Creek HA 7/25/10 7/31/10 250 250 Cattoor Horses

  11. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Jan, This is the rest;

    BLM Species Pop Control
    NV BLM Lahontan 8/1/10 9/30/10 68 58 BLM Horses
    NM FS Jicarilla 200 200 BLM Horses
    CO BLM
    Piceance/East Douglas
    HMA 8/1/10 8/11/10 340 300 Cook Horses FC
    CO BLM West Douglas HA 8/13/10 8/16/10 100 100 Cook Horses
    CA FS Devils Garden 8/2/10 8/9/10 200 200 Cattoor Horses
    UT BLM Frisco 9/1/10 9/3/10 100 70 BLM Horses
    UT BLM Conger 9/4/10 9/8/10 110 80 BLM Horses
    CA BLM Twin Peaks 8/11/10 9/21/10 302 205 Cattoor Burros
    CA BLM Twin Peaks 8/11/10 9/21/10 2301 1853 Cattoor Horses
    NV BLM Antelope Valley
    Antelope
    Complex 8/20/10 9/30/10 932 746 Cook Horses
    Antelope
    Antelope
    Complex 8/20/10 9/30/10
    NV BLM Goshute
    Antelope
    Complex 8/20/10 9/30/10 Cook Horses
    NV BLM Spruce Pequop
    Antelope
    Complex 8/20/10 9/30/10 Cook Horses
    OR FS Murders Creek 9/22/10 9/28/10 100 100 Cattoor Horses
    Winter 7386 4357 6155 3418
    Summer 6825 0 5669 0
    Total 1 4,311 4357 1 1,924 3418

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      The numbers after the dates are how many BLM wants to capture the how many they want to remove… You can see that hey will release small numbers and often remove all captured or large numbers. mar

  12. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Lord, the carnage steamroller rolls on.

    Who needs education? Who needs healthcare? All the money is going to kill wild horses and burros and place them illegally into holding facilities not even funded by the 1971 Wild Horse and Burro Act.

    Something’s Rotten in the State of Denmark and it is apparently Ken Salazar and I think people are getting the message both in and out of Washington, D.C.

    He stated so often in that meeting that The White House wasn’t even remotely involved in his monuments initiative. Just insisted White House wasn’t involved!

    That means he and his buddies have free rein to do as they like.

    I am listening to a book on tape about Rumsfield’s secret government (actually the book is called, “Descent into Chaos” by the guy that wrote “Taliban.”) Not my usual fare, but, though very ascerbic and damning of the way Washington reacted to 9-11, it clearly is an eye opener about how our “elected officials” can take the reins away from the entire Diplomatic Corps and even the President of the United States and a group of thugs can be seen by foreign entities to be the true power in Washington. Sorry if I stepped on anybody’s toes who thinks we did a great job in the Clinton and Bush years on foreign policy. . .

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if the bru-ha-ha we stir up over this awful wild horse and burro program turns out to be

    THE SHOT HEARD ROUND THE WORLD

    And stirs the pot with a big spoon until the aroma of all the rotten eggs in this

    rotten mess is apparent to all! . . .phew! It sure stinks!

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Oooo yes, JF, that is very much likely and DOI is in over their head all over and if we can expose them we expose much more… do we want to?? How dangerous is this pot of stew? mar

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        To be or not to be – that is the question!

        Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune

        Or to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them!

        I don’t want to go any further with this speech at this time.. . .

  13. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JANET, PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE FEELING THE SAME ALARM THAT YOU JUST EXPRESSED. THERE DO NEED TO BE SOME NEW NAMES ON THE DOORS IN CONGRESS AND MR. SMITH NEEDS TO GO TO WASHINGTON–MAKE THAT MR. AND MRS SMITH!

  14. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    MAR, YOU HAVE BEEN IN THIS BATTLE LONG ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND. YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF WHO YOU CAN TRUST. THE POWERS THAT WE ARE PUSHING AGAINST ARE FILLED WITH PEOPLE THAT CAN’T TRUST EACH OTHER. THEY HAVE NO MORAL CODE AND NOTHING MATTERS TO THEM. OUR STRENGTH IS OUR TREMENDOUS LOVE AND COMPASSION FOR THESE ANIMALS AND ALL THAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD. REGARDLESS OF OUR DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, POLITICAL PERSUASIONS OR BELIEF SYSTEMS, WE ARE ALL JOINED AT THE COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUS LEVEL AND THAT IS WHAT COUNTS. JUST PROCEED WITH CAUTION AND FIGHT SMART.

  15. Janet Ferguson Says:

    The public outcry is where this needs to be, doesn’t it!

    If they know that everyone knows that we know that they are “doin’ wrong” then we just keep on keepin’ on. The smart thing is to make a lotta’ noise! Hang together so we do not hang separately or something!

    Letters, calls, writing responses to articles, and the wonderful protests as well as the Mustang Events in Washington, D.C. plus fundraisers — that will enable our humane advocates to get the word out.

    It is extremely disturbing to know Ginger and others have been at this for so long already (decades!) going to all the Advisory Board public meetings, saying this over and over, and still nothing changes!

    That is appalling.

  16. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THERE SEEMS TO BE A KIND OF UNIVERSAL CLOCK WITH A CERTAIN KIND OF TIMING. THE TIME IS NOW–I FEEL IT–WE ALL FEEL IT. THAT IS WHY WE ARE PUSHING SO HARD. THOSE WONDERFUL SOULS THAT HAVE FOUGHT FOR SO LONG AND ESTABLISHED THE GROUND WORK HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH TO WORK WITH.

  17. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JANET, YOU ARE RIGHT! IT IS THAT GREAT BIG BAT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS NOT JUST OUR OWN COUNTRY. IT IS A BAT MADE UP OF LITTLE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE GLOBE.

  18. sandra longley Says:

    http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_1018.html

    You can go here and read s1579 and 1018, the anyalasis, you can vote and comment on the bill..I am still backtracking to find links to my other info…later

  19. sandra longley Says:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR01018:@@@P

    This is at The Library of Congress,,s1579 sponsored by Byrd-had no cosponsors. 1018 sponsored by Rahall had 7 co sponsors-harry reid is not a co-sponsor..if you click to read the bills at the end you find the dissenting opinion

    • Karen L. Says:

      The page JF referred to is here. I don’t get it either.
      http://energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Legislation.ViewBySenator&Congress_ID=111&Senator_ID=7760864f-6610-4b61-beef-ca9f905eea91

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        This is the link that started my rant on this subject: I finally remember where it was stored on my computer — sent to Laura Allen a day or so ago asking, “Where in the World is SB 1579?”

        Karen L I hadn’t seen the above link, either! Thanks!

        http://energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Legislation.ViewBill&Leg_ID=134ad5f7-cebb-48b0-99cd-32955964c4f4&Type_ID=07f15fd7-6014-478c-ab8b-fa78441de9d0

      • Karen L. Says:

        Okay, this is almost funny! Reid, for Byrd!? We’re making a bunch of strange, but interesting, discoveries today.

      • sandra longley Says:

        OK,Mr Reid introduced the bill for Mr. Byrd..who is extemely old and in a wheel chair, i remember they wheeled him into chambers for an important vote here awhile back and they was much ado about him making it for this important vote..normally a sponser would introduce his own bill, Reid had a statement attached to the bill-which I refer to below, and is important to read..I believe they used Byrd to get this legislation introduced-honestly-he is old and feeble..I am getting very bad vibes from this whole thing..I am starting to think this bill is all about getting legal authority to purchase the ZOO land, and the rest of the language is just puffery to make us all feel it is about saving the horses. Ask yourself-WHY- would Reid support the bills that would subvert the burns amendment he got put in as a rider? Reid wants those horses gone…he couldn’t get them all slaughtered because the slaughter business got shut down-now he can get them off the land by shipping them off to zoos and everyone gets what they want..Nevada gets alot of revenue directly to them from the energy leases, the state gets a cut..They get nothing off of the horses using the land.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        I wonder what would happen if we called Reid’s “people” and asked them point blank what thinks.

        en masse

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yeah, sandra, I’m not thinking it’s a good thing either. It’s just that JF saw the info and I checked on it. I don’t trust Reid and am well aware that he was supposedly the impetus for the Burns Rider.

        We had discussed the provisions of the ROAM bill last fall on this blog (I linked and printed the actual bill). The land acquisition provisions were noted; Mar was not happy with the requirement for “enhanced fertility control”; I thought section 8 of the bill was the best part because it called for a complete overhaul of the WH&B Advisory Board with time limits on terms of office. We are aware that it is not perfect and needs some changes and tightening! As I said last night, the Reid issue is “remarkable” and something else now in the mix. We need to remain vigilant and cover as many bases as possible in making people aware of the horses’ situation.

      • Karen L. Says:

        No, I don’t think we should call Reid’s people.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        The designated lands need to be maintained and we do not want the horses moved. From what I understand, and I could be wrong, the present lawsuit is possibly establishing that the original ’71 Act is still applicable and not over ridden by the amendments. They are using it for the decision concerning the removal of horses from their lands Not for adoption and the long term holding and transport of horses away from their ranges as illegal because of the ’71 Act. I am hoping it can be restored.

        Christine Jubic at Wild Horse (and Burro) Warriors also did a good ROAM rewrite that we talked about here. Solid and simple. Maybe needed some additional clarifications.

        There are many who are aware of the problems with ROAM and many who feel it is our only recourse and get very nervous when someone criticizes it as happened here in the past. But it is flawed. I think we will see what is what after the decision.

        It was a New Mexico woman rep who had said she supports the moratorium but not ROAM as she felt it would
        endanger the horses and lessen their protections on their present ranges. I cannot recall her name… mar

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Also, MW, Jubic’s version I think didn’t speak out on the use of helicopters — we discussed all that before on the blog.

        I wish we had a searchable INDEX TO THIS BLOG. LOL

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, Mar, I was backtracking to let sandra know that we had indeed noted the provisions of ROAM before on this blog. Even Mary Landrieu is talking as though leaving the horses on the range and restoring lost acreage as in the 1971 Act, while getting rid of the Burns Rider is preferable to some of the provisions of ROAM.

        Yes, I think the current litigation aims at enforcement of the original Act. Hopefully IDA will prevail there.

        I have an ill family member and will not be able to follow the blog much today.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Karen, i was going to ask why you were up all night… take care if you take off… hope your sick one recovers soon.

        Thanks for reinforcement, always welcome… mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        JF, the thing about helicopters was something else they over rode somehow… but we will maybe have to see if it is now a separate issue or we can address it for the horses and burros.

        I swear that Chuck, over at RTs is a copter pilot… i may be wrong. LL thought they were blm, too. mar

  20. Linda Says:

    Sorry I was so dingy yesterday. Wicked sinus headache. Glad y’all filled in my blank spots. Enough of my whining!

    Question: Are there ANY BLM wild equine holding facilities (especially feedlot-style) on public lands? This isn’t rhetorical, I REALLY want to know.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      Did you call BLM and ask them?

      There are all those places like Pauls Valley and all that you see on their adoption website but I don’t think those are the ones. . . why don’t we all starting calling the district offices of the BLM in each state and see what we can find out???

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Linda, Some posts back Lisa and I put up some things from the Quick facts page.. I was just telling someone today that we still need addresses for all the holding facilities. There is a link to them at the Quick Facts page. on the right in green print… All the facilities names are listed there, how many horses they hold and how many are there; mares and geldings. If you go to BLM and the Wild Horse and Burro Program the Quick Facts page should be linked from there. I put up a list that was super long at the post, it was all the facilities. One should be able to track info from State, name, find a location and even call BLM. Some horses are on National Grasslands in Kansas and OK. Yes, some are on Public Land. Sorry I will not be online long enough to find the post we had all that at. I will look tomorrow and I can try to link Quick Facts right now… mar

    • sandra longley Says:

      The palamino adoption center was purchased by the BLM, not leased.

  21. jan eaker Says:

    Please read the update on ELyse’s blog, another sad day for wild horses and the people who want their freedom.

  22. Linda Says:

    I went to adoption page and read the BLM had purchased 4 acres adjacent to the Delta facility. I assume that would make at least those acres public land.

    Phonecalls might be a good place to start, but we might get the ol’ “who wants to know?” It would be better if CF or some other organization or person already has the info.

  23. sandra longley Says:

    OK, what harry reid did was to have a statement read into the record of support for this bill1018, and it reads pretty elequently until you get to this part:

    S . 1579 and H.R. 1018 would revise the Wild Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Act to provide BLM and the Forest Service with additional tools to manage the wild horse and burro populations in ways that preserve a thriving ecological balance. They also prohibit the killing or sale for slaughter of wild horses and burros.

    The bills give the BLM the authority to restore wild horse and burro ranges by purchasing or acquiring equivalent land, with a goal of returning rangelands to something approaching the 53 million acres available to the wild herds in 1971. Current law does not allow BLM to acquire land for horses and burros that might not be in the same location occupied by wild horses prior to 1971.

    i SEE THIS AS A POSSIBLE ATTEMPT TO GIVE THEM LEGAL RIGHT TO BUY LAND ELSEWHERE TO MOVE THE HORSES TO. Altho you would guess at first read, he meant lands where they are now…it does not stipulate that specifically, and I would sure want to read the language of that bill to make sure-we are not giving them a legal interpretation to do so…given the fact that harry Reid was behind the burns amendment accourding to conrad burns…I am not going to trust his enthusiasim..and we need to seriously look at it again and get legal interpretation- before we support it

    • Linda Says:

      Okay, the land purchase is out. I assume if the BLM wants purchase land for the wild ones the money will have to come directly out of the WH&BP budget or in some kind of land swap, which the BLM does all the time.

      This whole “Midwestern and Eastern Preserves” concept is a farce, but it does prove one thing. Salaczar is convinced he has the authority to move the wild ones anywhere he pleases. I don’t remember anyone at the hearing directly challenge him on his right to do that. Just on allocation of funds.

      There’s lots of land in the west adjacent to the HMAs and in other areas that could be re-allocated to restore the 53 million acres. (I WANT THOSE %*&# MAPS!) The problem is does he or anyone else have the will to do it?

      I, for one, would prefer to take a wild horse “safari” or horseback tour to see the horses on their home ranges. I’ve seen plenty of herds on pasture. And the “wild horse preserve” tag line is totally disingenuous and patently false. Just a herd of “formerly wild” horse in an alien environment. Wouldn’t that look great on a sign!

      One last thing. Without exception, the biggest draw at any “zoo” is the new babies. People love to bring their kids to ooh and aah and talk about how cute they are. No babies from sterilized horses.

      • sandra longley Says:

        Tracie had those HMA maps before and after-over at the mustang project blog-along with tons of information relating to documentation-there was a large giveaway of land when the railways went through that country.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        I will ask Tracie what maps she has when I get a chance. We are trying to come up with some from the BLM web. At some point if we have maps we can get recopied at a copier store we will try to offer them to people at cost Maybe that will be in a couple weeks.

        I would be doing much more but I have no internet provider. By the end of next week I will for the first time since Nov. Then I can do many of the little things I keep suggesting.

        My first Robin is here!! mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        The coming foals here in Colorado and Wyoming and Pryor will be a delight to see. I am not too happy about the Bordo roundup in June in Central New Mexico. I think there will be small foals so I am hoping for bait trapping… Or No Roundup… knock on wood. That is what we need to concentrate on;
        Stopping the Roundups with a Moratorium. mar

      • Linda Says:

        I went to The Mustang Project and looked around. Didn’t find maps, so I emailed Tracie (Tracy?). I’m awaiting her reply.

        Did find updated (?) Geocommunicator Maps on the BLM Website. Lots of overlays I think could be useful if I can only learn how to use the darn thing. I wish I had a HUGE computer monitor! Also lots of charts and stats.

    • Suzanne Moore Says:

      That has always been a troubling spot for me too – especially with Harry Reid involved! We do NOT want them moved. It would be better to repeal the Burns Rider, but get Harry to agree to THAT if you can!

  24. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA, I LEARNED FROM EQUINE WELFARE ALLIANCE THAT HARRY REID WAS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BURNS AMMENDMENT. HE JUST WOULD LIKE THOSE HORSES OUT OF THE WAY. THEY ARE IN THE WAY OF SOMETHING–WATER RIGHTS? LAND RIGHTS? THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN FILL YOU IN THAT KNOW A GREAT DEAL.

    • sandra longley Says:

      I contacted ALC and IDA last night asking for an opinion on this legal loophole in the ROAM bill..I really think we ought to wait until we hear something from them before we continue to support the ROAM bills..It would be a tradgedy if we handed them the legal means they are missing at this time to purchase land elsewhere to move the horses to..as senator bingaman pointed out in the comittee meeting-they currently can not use funding to purchase those lands.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Many of us are not satisfied with ROAM as is and we have gone back and forth on it often. The original 1971 Act is superior but needs to include the wild ones that have survived on other lands. It was amended and gutted over the years. There is a rewrite of ROAM being done. It would need Many changes and debate which it is not getting out of committee. mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        This is the reply from Laura Allen:

        Laura Allen to me
        show details 4:38 AM (1 hour ago)

        Yes, unfortunately, this is the effect of the current ROAM. It would allow BLM’s plan to go into full effect – Horses could be moved to other land and off their designated herd areas. I think the idea is to set up zoo like settings on pastures or areas no bigger than feedlots…Laura

      • sandra longley Says:

        So we have to stop ROAM as it currently stands..Unfortunately almost every website has a support ROAM tag on it that I go to..Most people think it is going to save the wild horses-better to have no legislation than to have this peice of crap…The way it stands currently-the BLM has no authority to purchase land for the zoos-we need a petion(s) to start demanding the language to be changed in the roam bill-before it can be considered..Once it is passed we have no legal grounds to challenge their moving the horses. We need a serious campaign to inform the public about what this bill really contains

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        When a bill gets to a hearing and is debated it can be improved . But I am not confident that will be done. It is possible the Burn’s rider could be thrown out is we could ever get any action out of DC but the other amendments are not so easy to be dealt with. That is why ROAM has been a ‘hope’ for many. But we need the rewrite and we need the horses left out to be included this time. ROAM as it stands is not good enough. Mary Landreiu
        said so herself. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Okay, I see you are already discussing these issues that I wrote about at 2:42 P.M above. Great!

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        SL — THAT’S RIGHT. All website have support ROAM act!

        Where does The Cloud Foundation stand on this issue?????

        I’ve “gummed up the” TCF Blog with ROAM Act now for a long time and am beginning to wish I hadn’t!

      • sandra longley Says:

        The roam bills are in comittee now..they should be having peliminary discussions at this point and doing any reworking of the language..we should be giving input now- before asking they be brought to the floor of the senate for a vote. God forbid it should pass with this language in it..I would not vote for this thing-just to get another meaningless powerless advisory comittee out of it….and sell the horses down the river, across country and to a zoo for the rest of their life -what a trade off.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        We have been writing to the committee for months. We have tried to get focus on the parts of ROAM needing work but I am not sure what came of it. We try at times to get on the same page about things but it fades out unless it is refreshed like now… so we have to focus again. There is no discussion of ROAM in committee according to a comment made by one of the members recently. There won’t be until it has a date for a hearing and then it will be debated. It is not on a schedule as yet… we need to say much to the committee and be aware we are waiting for decisions based on the ’71 Act now. this is very important and may change our direction back. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        JF, ROAM is an issue that needs to be discussed, you did not gum it up… as it is not clear yet to many what draw backs it has. These need to be addressed and the committee aware of changes needed. A real good way to get changes recognized would be to go to the people who wrote it and point out what and why it should change. I am personally still attached to 71 Act and am anxious to see if the lawsuit will will give it new life… mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        sandra, We are well aware that S.1579 needs changes, and some of us have written to the subcommittee for MONTHS requesting specific “language” changes. On the questionable DOI portal, I was one of those who advocated for the stewardship of the animals to be given to a different or newly created agency. (Mary Landrieu has said this for a while.) Keeping up with the issues on many fronts is not a new thing for the original members of this blog—we are exploring every reasonable avenue. We need to continue with EVERY reasonable avenue.

      • Karen L. Says:

        Thanks, Mar, for interjecting. I have been up all night and am ‘vulnerable’ today. We have indeed been writing to the committee for months, etc.

      • Suzanne Moore Says:

        I don’t think Craig Downer supports ROAM as it now stands either.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Mrs. Pickens has support R.O.A.M. on her website

  25. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I READ FURTHER–I SEE THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT–I DIDN’T KNOW UNTIL RECENTLY. I SURE GOT A COOL RECEPTION WHEN I CALLED HIS OFFICE IN NEVADA TO PROTEST THE CALICO ROUND-UP.

  26. sandra longley Says:

    This is a list of Senators who recieved campaign contributions from the cattle industry and how much…John McCain sits on the energy comittee as well as a few others…keep this in mind, as the funding goes forward.

    • sandra longley Says:

      Name Amount Received
      Sen. John McCain [R, AZ] $609,452
      Sen. John Cornyn [R, TX] $163,155
      Sen. Hillary Clinton [D, NY] $89,550
      Sen. Tom Udall [D, NM] $45,400
      Sen. Saxby Chambliss [R, GA] $30,358
      Sen. James Risch [R, ID] $29,050
      Sen. Kay Hutchison [R, TX] $29,000
      Sen. Mark Udall [D, CO] $28,800
      Sen. John Barrasso [R, WY] $24,500
      Sen. James Inhofe [R, OK] $23,049

      Rep. Cynthia Lummis [R, WY-0] $81,626
      Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14] $42,542
      Rep. Henry Cuellar [D, TX-28] $41,650
      Rep. William Thornberry [R, TX-13] $36,075
      Rep. Jerry Moran [R, KS-1] $29,400
      Rep. Greg Walden [R, OR-2] $27,852
      Rep. Michael Conaway [R, TX-11] $26,700
      Rep. Dennis Rehberg [R, MT-0] $25,775
      Rep. Devin Nunes [R, CA-21] $23,500
      Rep. Randy Neugebauer [R, TX-19] $20,150

      (

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        shame on Hilary… m

      • sandra longley Says:

        I think these #s are a reflection of the presidential race(I don’t think cattlemen would consider lobbing a senator from NY for help!) Obama didn’t even show up on the list..so I guess he is off their radar..They definately expected some help from republican John McCain tho..i ran “cowgirls for clinton” for 2 years..lol

      • Linda Says:

        Didn’t Hillary make a pile of $$ on cattle futures? Just lucky, I guess.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      I remember this. There is so much info.

      I think the BLM website Marilyn Wargo posted up there has a lot of improvements on it of late. . . .

      And additions that weren’t there before if I may be so bold.

      However — we need to apply Holden Caulfield’s “Crap Detector” to the info if there is any way — perhaps a MacDonald “look-see.”

  27. Sandra Miller Says:

    I just read through everyone’s comments and didn’t see the IDA lawsuit trial date mentioned, so I’ll throw this in – isn’t IDA returning to court this month, maybe the 15th? I’m glad for all those who are questioning R.O.A.M. I would feel much better if some good news came out of the court case, because I believe the 1971 legislation is much better for wild horse and burro program. Read, “Thinking about Wild Horses – Animal Blawg”, posted recently, because it is an attorney (pro wild horse & burro) evaluating the 1971 WFRHBA. I am the only person who left a comment so far. I think the article has been overlooked in preoccupation with everything else.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Sandra, Off the top of my head, the court date for the Calico Complex case is April 30. There is no action on the Eagle case since the roundup was postponed.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        The date for the decision is early May and I wonder if that is why the burro roundups were postponed until after the decision date? Like Eagle roundup… That almost makes sense. Why keep rounding up if they do not know what can be done with the animals legally yet??

        There is a possible answer to K pasa, JF… mar

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      I read it but did not comment but posted it at my blog…mar

    • Linda Says:

      Animal Blawg seems to be “thinking” about lots of different animal issues. Not that it’s a bad thing, but they’re casting a pretty wide net. Lots of comments now, and some feedback from the attorney.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Here is a link re: the IDA lawsuits. The Calico court date is mentioned in the next to last paragraph, I believe. If the 1971 law can be newly enforced, then that’s probably the best option for the horses.
      http://www.blmcorruption.com/

  28. Sandra Miller Says:

    You’re right – April 30. I checked. From Linda’s comment “Lots of comments now, and some feedback from the attorney” I wonder if we are looking in the same place – that article is posted right here on the Cloud blog, and so far I’m the only person who has commented. It’s a fairly new posting, but there are so many “fairly new postings” that has been moved down the list! Where are you looking, Linda?

  29. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA, YOU ARE RIGHT. EVERYONE HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON OTHER THINGS. ” ANIMAL BLAWG” IS WORTHY OF BEING READ WITH TIME AND ATTENTION. BY REVIEWING, I CONSTANTLY FIND MORE. SOMETIMES WE ARE BUSY WRITING. SOMETIMES WE ARE BUSY CALLING. SOMETIMES WE ARE BUSY RESEARCHING. WHEN I GET A BLOCK OF TIME, I PAUSE AND REALLY DELVE INTO INFORMATION AND TRY TO PULL OUT THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. EACH OF US SEES SOMETHING THAT THE OTHERS DIDN’T. I OFTEN FIND THAT MY “DISCOVERY” IS OLD NEWS TO EVERYONE ELSE.

  30. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    KAREN, IF I WERE AN ATTORNEY, I WOULD GRAB YOU IN A MINUTE. YOU MUST BE SUCH AN ASSET TO ANYONE THAT YOU WORK FOR OR WORK WITH.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Thank you, Louie. (If you were addressing me.) Most of the time, in legal and medical issues, the truth is in the details; so I always try to look at ‘the big picture’ and all the details involved. My husband has listened to these wild horse problems for a while and said to me the other evening, “You know, maybe you should run for some sort of public office.” I told him that being a paid lobbyist for mustangs wasn’t in demand, and that I would not be interested in dealing with Congress for any other reason!

  31. jan Says:

    i have email friends in other countries – one i sent cloud blog to says can anything be done to save the horses – she said in her country the govt does care about the wild life and they protect it – she is in israel – where wild life is held as special – too bad people in washington dont feel like that anymore

    • jan eaker Says:

      Please tell me when people in Washington EVER truly cared about wild life, maybe Clinton and Reagan, but no one else that I know of,

      • Karen L. Says:

        jan, Al Gore??

      • jan eaker Says:

        Yes, but Al was during Clinton’s term, Bush 1 and 2 were not wild life friendly, and Obama is following the previous administration’s policy; also he is about finding AMerican energy sources and exploiting them; wildlife and their protection be damned.

      • Karen L. Says:

        Oh, yeah, just sayin’….

  32. jan Says:

    just need someone at cloud to set up a data base for info that we could access instead of posting on blog – post info on it – all the horse stuff i find – i either email to myself and then put in a folder for the horses or i save on favorites – i have aol

  33. jan Says:

    FOUND THIS ONLINE – INTERVIEW BETWEEN STEVEN LONG OF HORSEBACK MAG AND CONRAD BURNS

    Exclusive Interview with Former Sen. Conrad Burns – why our wild horses go to slaughter
    An Exclusive Interview

    Former Sen. Conrad Burns

    By Steven Long

    In the world of equine welfare there may be no person subject to derision than former Montana Sen. Conrad Burns. An ardent supporter of horses as a commodity to be sold for whatever reason their owner deems profitable, the former auctioneer lost his seat in the U.S. Senate to a farmer, Jon Tester, after passage of the Burns Amendment. The law was passed in the dead of night after it was attached to an appropriations bill nobody had read. For the first time, in an exclusive interview with Horseback Magazine, Burns how revocation of the law came about.

    HORSEBACK MAGAZINE: You’re a lobbyist now, right?

    CONRAD BURNS: Well, I’ve only got one client I lobby, but right now I’m doing a lot more international consulting.

    HORSEBACK: Well good for you. Who are you lobbying for?

    BURNS: The Quarter Horse Association.

    HORSEBACK: The AQHA?

    BURNS: Yep

    HORSEBACK: We support them in every way we can in our little magazine.

    BURNS: Yep, that’s right. How’re you doing?

    HORSEBACK: Old and fat Sir, old and fat.

    BURNS: I can relate to that.

    HORSEBACK: I’m working on this story that’s going on up in Montana with the Pryor Mountain wild horses. In my research I obviously ran across the Burns Amendment. Can you tell me how that came about and what prompted it?

    BURNS: Well, Harry Reid came to me and said, ‘I’ve got a problem in Nevada.’ And I said I said ‘What kind of a problem do you have?’ because we don’t have a problem up in Montana.

    HORSEBACK: So what happened then?

    BURNS: So he and I, up in his office, got together and we crafted that amendment because they’ve really got that problem of over grazing down there. That’s how that came about.

    HORSEBACK: It was actually Reid’s idea, huh?

    BURNS: Yeah, well it was his problem. I just helped him solve it, that’s all.

    HORSEBACK: Well, you did a pretty good job of it.

    BURNS: I don’t think they’ve sold any or anything like that. It wasn’t really designed for that. The premise of it was to take a strong look at how we manage our resources and how they affect the herd of the horses.

    HORSEBACK: One thing I can’t figure out with this BLM stuff for the life of me is if you have millions of acres of vacant land and there’s 100 miles between towns, why on earth can’t they put all those wild horses out there and nobody would ever care.

    BURNS: Well, you see, some of that country won’t sustain them year round. You’ve got spring growth, which is fine, but if you are a rancher, then you’ve got the dry season, and you’ve got to save some of your country for pasture and you’ve got to have supplemental feeding. And when you fly over that country and look down there, there’s something down there, you just don’t see it,, There’s sheep herds, and there’s also a few cattle run on that same country. They’re managed because you can’t just graze the whole thing off in the summer and then expect those animals to go through a very tough winter.

    HORSEBACK: One more question Senator. What do you think about this EU thing on the slaughter issue? That just kind of stopped everything dead in its tracks, didn’t it/

    BURNS: I don’t know a lot about it but I know one thing. We don’t have any slaughter plants here. That seems like that’s a problem Canada and Mexico are going to have to solve. I think they are still accepting horsemeat for human consumption.

    HORSEBACK: They are, until April when the EU says horses have to be in quarantine for six months.

    BURNS: I think we will probably have some science that will disprove that it takes that long for residue to dispel. I’m not sure, but I’m going to let the veterinarians and the folks who handle horses to make the decision. As you know, we’ve got lots of people who’ve got lots of ideas, but six months is a long time.

    HORSEBACK: Well thank you Senator. I’m glad to hear you’re doing well.

    BURNS: I’m still grazing the green side.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yeah, Steven Long skillfully showed Burns and Reid to be the duplicitous conspirators that they are.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        JF, Me, too. But with several articles about sustainable beef, one I linked from Time Mag. I do not connect a threat. I think that the Western element is too mired in their ways and traditions and that is why they do not work together and improve the Public Lands they have the privilege of using. They are not progressive enough which is adding even more to their Dinosaur image all the time. We would be progressive with Wild Horse and Burro management given it is humane and selective but we are just seen as outsiders. Just like Californians and Easterners. mar

  34. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Another wierd link, but am putting it here as “food for thought.” Re: a group who promotes cattle grazing as a “green” resource – including a California Rancher.

    http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008338.html

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      JF, That is about sustainability and those of us who either live in the country or can afford local foods will benefit from this. This is a continually growing movement and lifestyle and may be what will save the planet someday. If the largest populations in China and India do not eat processed foods then the rest of the world should and could follow suit. mar

    • Karen L. Says:

      It’s not weird at all—as a matter of fact, it confirms what we have known and been saying about wild horses and other wildlife ad infinitum.
      “The central idea of carbon farming is to move the animals frequently–as once happened with wild herds chased by predators–so grasses are not gnawed beyond the point of natural recovery…” Unfortunate that they are applying this concept to cattle grazing only, when it is basic good sense, and applicable to all range science.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        That was my fear that it would be “spun” by the cattle-runners to their own use.

  35. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JANET, I WENT TO THE LINK THAT YOU GAVE US FOR THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE–I SEE TWO GOOD ONES ON THAT COMMITTEE–MARCY CAPTOR AND BARBARA LEE. HERE IS THE SUB COMMITTEE. THAT COMMITTEE’S JURISDICTION IS THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR:
    Chair: Norman D. Dicks (WA)
    James P. Moran (VA)
    Alan B. Mollohan (WV)
    Ben Chandler (KY)
    Maurice D. Hinchey (NY)
    John W. Olver (MA)
    Ed Pastor (AZ)
    David E. Price (NC)
    David R. Obey (WI), Ex Officio

    Minority

    Ranking Member:
    Michael K. Simpson (ID)
    Ken Calvert (CA)
    Steven C. LaTourette (OH)
    Tom Cole (OK)
    Jerry Lewis (CA), Ex Officio

  36. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JAN, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT INTERVIEW–AS WE WERE ALL SAYING–NEW NAMES ON DOORS IN WASHINGTON. THERE ARE A FEW GOOD ONES, BUT MOST NEED TO GO.

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