Calico Death Toll Rises

The repercussions of a winter helicopter roundup: At least 60 horses have died, 53 in the Fallon holding facility, and likely a total of over 35 late-term abortions. The BLM is not allowing the public to observe the freeze-branding, processing, and innoculating of the horses being run through the shoots. On Saturday: “Two year old mare died on her own due to a spinal injury. Injury was related to a larger horse backing into her during approach to the squeeze chute.” According to BLM daily reports (online here).

New Examiner.com article on the continuing deaths

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129 Responses to “Calico Death Toll Rises”

  1. sandra longley Says:

    The only thing that keeps me going is so that these deaths will not be in vain. The Calico horses are the poster child of what is wrong with the BLMs management of the wild horses..I go to the latest news story to blog every morning…NOW, I find more commentors,& more outrage as the videos pictures and information is being circulated and discussed..had this roundup gone well…the situation would not be getting the attention it deserves..God bless the horses for the sacrifice they have made so that others will live…

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      The Cattoors did a winter roundup in the Calicos in 1984 and they killed 30 foals and a truck loaded with horses overturned and many of these horses had to be destroyed. Their incompetence has insured that very few, if any, roundups will ever go well…

      We must be harder and stronger and more demanding that this end. The revised roundup schedule is full of BLM math and they will use it to zero out herds. This ploy and the entire non selective management by violent removals is about to decimate our wild herds to oblivion. These abusive methods and people who have made millions applying the cruelty and abuse to wild horses and burros must be stopped ASAP.

      Please put together a protest where ever you are to Coincide with the DC protest on March 25th. Let us find out how strong we really are. mar

      • truth Says:

        if you knew anything about the subject you would understand that with out the roundups the wild mustang population could very well be near extinction cause when they over populate in any given area its not just a few weak that die off for a simple natural management the whole heard in that area pile on top of each other in what could be called a mass extinction you ignorant people put together these unfortunate few to make a case but then you fail to mention that through the gathers there are to date over thirty three thousand head sitting in corrals that have had no problems then when you think about the life span of a horse being at max 25 years you must also realize that even a yearling foal born the year of the 1984 gather is naturally dead and not counted in this seemingly large population of perfectly good unharmed gathered mustang nore the thousands that are adopted dont get me wrong it is unfortunante but keep whining about your petty numbers and save every horse that is ever to walk this earth and soon enough the wild mustang will either be a stinking heap of dead rotting flesh from over population for the whole world to smell or they will be taken care of and preserved through the gathers if you for some reason got the crazie notion that the cattoors are not horse people such as you and i and their just out to exterminate all such animals i sugest that you do a little more research to learn some actual facts before you start running your mouth of things that are not truly understood by oneself so you know a little history but i dont see you writing about the thousands of people that died when the titanic sank this incident you write of was nothing more than an accident but you write it to demonize fellow horse lovers as if they wrecked the truck on pourpous obviously you have never had the oppertunity to drive upon a dried up water hole with ten to fifteen real sorry horses standing around waiting to die as did the other hundred and fifty but since that dosent happen anymore i simply sugest that if you ever get the chance to actually meet the cattoors in person you should ask them what it smells like

      • Linda Says:

        This is for truth. You obviously have strong opinions, and every right to state them. We all do. But name-calling doesn’t further your cause. It only turns people off to what you have to say.

        Also, it’s almost impossible to get to the points in your comments in your streamed writing style. I want to understand you, and be able to reply. Please put things in way that helps me do that. Thanks.

  2. Linda Says:

    Since the BLM has once again stopped keeping a running total on “deaths” at Fallon, I can only assume they have misplaced their calculators. Fortunately, our’s are in ample supply.

    This has all been so cold-hearted and surreal. It’s got to stop!

  3. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    As Sandra Longley has been pointing out, we need to be fighting on more fronts than we are. How can we do that when we Must Stop the roundups in order to be able to have a leg to stand on with these other long term projects that are pushing the wild ones off their land? From the hurried Ruby Pipeline and their reseeding after they put the over expensive and under useful thing in place to the Barrick Gold mines continued growth and eating up water resources all over Central and now NE Nevada, we are not in a position to fight for the land when it is taken before we are even given any notice. BLM will not even give us a map with HMA’s on it to work with and compare where all these impact the wild ones. We are manipulated by DOI/BLM at every turn. Why are we not pushing back for the Physical information we have a right to possess? Are we not entitled to all the exact same information that BLM is working with Right Now, including the up to date, illusive maps with HMA’s and cattle allotments? Who knows how to get this info out of them? mar

    • Karen L. Says:

      Mar, Hasn’t Ginger or TCF mentioned having to file for documents under the Freedom of Information Act?

      • sandra longley Says:

        The mustang project Blog has alot of good documentation in one spot on the ruby pipeline…sure saved me alot of legwork..make that finger work…

      • sandra longley Says:

        I think a legal team needs to get on this fast..file an injuction on the Ruby Pipeline, its hundreds of miles long and effects the HMAs from calif to WYO…they barely addressed the repercussions to the wild horses and Burros present and future…hold their feet to the fire, there is NO reason they cannot co-exist, i am not against energy development-so long as they don’t exterminate the future of wildlife in those areas..Thats the way it is done on private lands-and they bend over backwards to do it.i have been looking at sucessful lawsuits against the BLM…what they are being won on…The BLMs own incompetance and arrogance and sheer laziness is used against them…they are easier to catch ..than a cold…LOL- I say quit trying to use the legaslative law of 1978-legislative law has too many interpretations..too many back doors and is too broad..they can win on that…drill it down to a small malfisense on their part..the neglect to do or complete the studies they are required to do. Make their wesakness…our strength

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Yes, I guess that is how we must do it. We need a shopping list and then get the papers all filed. I have never done that.

        Yes, Make their weaknesses our strengths. This is what I have seen as our way at them as they ignore everything to get one small destructive act accomplished. They are so weak on their own info and GAO has pointed this out for years. They are entirely contradictory, you can expect how they will do things. mar

    • Laura Evans Says:

      Is there any way that we, as individuals can file a lawsuit against the BLM? If a bunch of us all grouped together and got an attorney who was willing to do it for the greater good? There’s got to be something out there that we can take them to court for. We may not win but we’d sure get our cause out there and the BLM would have to fight us if we took it to court. Right?

    • Linda Says:

      As to maps of the HMAs, the BLM must have those types of maps, or they wouldn’t have any way to identify and manage ANY mitigations of public lands. I can find pretty detailed maps of the lands they control state by state, but no overlays for HMAs, grazing allotments, or other types of permitted uses.

      I remember a Senator recently asked for a map of an area being considered as a “treasured landcape”, and was told there was no such map. When Obama & Biden showed up for a photo op, a map suddenly appeared and the Senator was livid.

      Could the BLM be required to release these maps under the FOIA?
      I want to see maps of the ORIGINAL HMAs, and overlays indicating changes since then, including grazing allotments.

  4. LoriProphoto Says:

    I hate to say it but I have a suspicion that the BLM keep bombardering us with new actions and roundups hoping that in all the turmoil they will have a few activities or gathers that will slip through the cracks, purely because we are not able to keep up with them and what is happening next. They are keeping us so busy trying to make sense of it all and try to see what their game plan is that before we know it they are carrying out their deadly deeds. Does this sound paranoid? There has to be someone out there who has the authority to put a stop to all of their activities until all of this has been resolved, but where the heck do we start? After all they have the money, OUR money to back them up, whereas we have nothing substantial financially to help us, so they are using OUR taxpayers dollars to tie OUR hands.

    Just a few muddled thoughts going through my mind today, needed to vocalise them and hopefully make sense of it all.

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      Nope. Not paranoid at all. Makes perfect sense to me.
      When the Bureau can conduct a roundup like the Calico mess, littered with the dead and dying, inhumane beyond comprehension, in full view of the media and Advocates and STILL deny, deny, deny?
      THAT is an agency that is not afraid of the People.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Lori, yes, we can continue to expect this from them. But we are a larger group this year and More motivated and experienced. With the good weather we will have people at the roundups and anywhere they do activity with the wild ones. This year is different. We are are something to contend with.

        We must not fear BLM, they are fallible.. mar

  5. jan Says:

    can someone keep eye on the cattoor or whatever their name is – you would know when helicopters leave and where they are going – seems we need a military type operation to keep track of the them and the blm – its war – pure and simple – us, the horse lovers and protectors against them – the killers, the people insensitive to the needs and care of the horses – what tv show was that they did – cant remember where they went in and fought against people doing horrible things – cant remember name of it – this is like guerrlia warfare against the blm – only weapons we have is observers and cameras – blm i think is afraid to let anyone really see what they are doing – wish humane society would file lawsuit like ida did – how about if all the animal protection groups got together and filed a massive lawsuit against the blm – would they get noticed by the media and american people – i posted about the kids march on here to a group i belong to and one woman wrote me – this is political does not belong on our group and i wrote back and told her that kids need to get involved like they did in the 70’s and would she like to see the west without any mustangs – she will probably write back to me – she can be nasty – but i do post cloud foundation even on my game websites – the more who know can look up for themselves

    • sandra longley Says:

      It is not really political..because every administration trys to do something that involves the lands the american citizen is owner of-we pay to manage that land no matter who is in power..The issue is a governmental agency that is not political. Human rights, and animal welfare is not political, it should exist without politics…maybe its “her” politics she is referring to….

  6. jan Says:

    got to find horse groups and congress that are pro horse – how about states that have horse racing and breeding farms – got to be more horse people out there

    • Linda Says:

      It would certainly be great if more horse racing folks and breeders came on board. Unfortunately, the majority are in the horse “business”. They breed large numbers of horses to get a “winner” or a horse that meets specific breed criteria.

      Their “excess horses” often end up at the Sale Barn. Many are pro-slaughter. I’m not saying there aren’t responsible and caring breeders out there, but for most it’s all about the bottom line.

  7. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Who’s that gal with HSUS which was working with BLM. Is she still on the Fallon site or was she also booted off? Who knows how to reach HER.

    If she and Willis are our last known points of contact, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE FLOODED OUT AT THIS POINT WITH EVERY THING WE’VE GOT, in my humble opinion. Unless, of course, they have both been “blocked.”

  8. Michael J Ahles Says:

    If you want to help the mustangs, boycott beef.
    BLM is beef.
    Thanks,

    =
    MJA

  9. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE CONTRACTORS COULD BE SUED BY THE PEOPLE. THEY SHOULD BE NAMED IN THE LAWSUIT, AS WELL.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      One way to get at the contractors and unite groups is to go after the use of helicopters on wildlife. The first wolves shot from helicopters in the lower 48 has happened and the bison are hazed even on private land with them. The use of the helicopters should and must be outlawed as it has been been in the case of arial gunning of wolves in Alaska in the past.

      This has been my suggestion for a couple years. I have no way to pull this off alone. mar

  10. sandra longley Says:

    We need to contact other groups who share a common interest…those that want to protect the land. the habitat, the buffalo, water resources, elk deer grouse…wolves —and come up with a presentation-that acknowledges our differences but stresses the common goals we are working for..how we can benefit each others causes-how much more power we have-if we work together…we can pool resources and strengths, donations, volunteers, combine in lawsuits, share science,. There are so many holes in the dyke we are trying to plug..We really have to plug them all..To work…we would all have to compramise…but look at it this way…we are being forced to compramise with the BLM in ways we do NOT like-and we are still not able to save the horses..and when this administration is gone there will be another one to deal with all over again.. from scratch.. I say we make our stand here and now and give it everything we have got and try to end it .The bush administration started this last push to exterminate…This is truly not a battle that is going to ever end until we seperate the horses from government care custody and control..I think we stand a better chance of winning with this administration in the end

    • sandra longley Says:

      I think we need to be hard at work developing a master plan for a foundation to take over the WH&B management…and start breaking it down to how we can accomplish it….BIG project..covers alot of territory..we would still have to fight for every inch..and have to solve the problems that exist, but big problems require big solutions-by big thinkers..I believe the government would like to find a way to get rid of this head ache-hoping the failure would be on our watch rather than theirs.

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        In regards to an association with Wildlife Advocates: we have to be very supportive and very careful. Some Wildlife Advocates are convinced the Equines rob wildlife of water and forage, and are environmental destroyers.
        Most Wildlife Advocates are area-specific. They believe the riparian environs are the only areas Equines gather and graze. And those beliefs are reinforced by the Bureau, Forestry and Wildlife Agencies.
        Many are surprised to learn, for example, that domestic sheep are destroyers of habitat for Big Horns, and that domestics carry a bacteria the Big Horns have no immunity against.
        It would be excellent if we could foster a Common Ground coalition of some kind, where the interests of all the Range, Desert and Back Country could be represented, because as it stands now, No interests are fairly represented.

      • sandra longley Says:

        Lisa..you are absolutely on target..when I went the the Western Watersheds Project website, I looked carefully to see whether i could tell if they were friend or foe..and should i contact them? I think we are going to have to take it upon our shoulders to dispell the myths, the BLM has used over and over to try to get rid of the wild horses..saying it isn’t so..just won’t cut thru the propaganda…thats why I say..we need real science to back us up…some is available thru research online..for instance cattlemen have been using gps collaring extensively to track their cattle grazing patterns to improve their pasture management..its not new science to them..yet the BLM tried it on horses once back in the 80’s-and said it won’t work….I disagree wholeheartedly. I believe the gps will prove it is not the horses destroying the vegetation and water holes..and if they were-we should know about it so we could take steps to improve the situation..we have models to go on based on the extensive research already done on cattle…For instance…gps has shown that cattle will travel ..no more than 6/10 of a mile from water in their grazing..I know from reading the research on brumbies in australia who have been gps collared-they will travel..up to..50 miles in a day and go 3 days without water. That is not my “opinion” those are facts i am quoting…facts and science is something you can take to court..The fact that “we” did not do the science-makes it that much more credible to a court. Another for instance that can be used against the BLM..are their own words..the US Geological Survey was combined with the BLM to GIVE them science to do these experiments..In the report I read from the USGS..they recommended using imaging that the military has to track and identify horses…and count…virtually…thus eliminating or reducing the need for roundups(twice it was mentioned) That department is supposed to do the research on the forage available for the HMA..this is a quote from the report..” habitat is deffered-pending A more indepth analysis of BLMs need-related to habitat monitoring and evaluation” __It would seem to me..that this would be a CRITICAL” report given the fact that this is the reason they are spending millions of dollars to remove them because they state there is a lack of forage..else where in the report it was stated that BLM did not see a pressing need for this service as well..So I would go to court with their own document in hand-put it in frount of a judge-ask for an injunction to stop the roundups based on the fact their own documents show they did not think it was necessary to prove they had a valid reason for removing the horses..And that such proof must be presented to the court before roundups can take place…that should give us a couple of years for them to get that completed…in the meantime we ask that the horses be released until such a time that the BLM has utilized its own science to prove there is not enough forage.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        Sandra – Have you submitted these ideas to IDA or the Animal Law Coalition? What you just shared seems to have a lot of legal merit and could very well help what is currently being done by these groups.

        Great research!!

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        There is a move to start a group that would be able to manage the wild ones. We have already researched what you are posting. We want to gather our own info and do a census. I realize you are ‘catching up’ but what you are posting is already in the blog. What would be nice is for us to Work Together. If people want to design a legal project they should start doing it.
        Many other people have come to the same conclusions I have and I hope we can hook up and get in the field this year. As Craig has said, and I have discovered, we need to know where the water sources are, the fences and what the range consists of for forage. I have done field work and want to have a boot camp this spring and get a team of people in every state to work on the census. I will put together a field guide and
        we will learn how to gather the info we need.

        The herds that have watchdog groups and guardians do a count each year already. This needs to be continued and spread to all the herds and local people involved.

        The idea is to have the ability to take the management from BLM at any time. We need to know all our our horses; named and have descriptions of them. Expensive methodology will not come to us this year. In the long run that can be used but it is not there now. We are here and we need volunteers to work with all the herds. This is going to start as soon as we can get out there.

        It would be beneficial if we all recognize that there are people trying to do this NOW. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, as Mar says, a lot of what is said above has already been researched and posted. Some of the suggested legal strategies have been used in court successfully. The “no valid reason” for removing the horses was used successfully last summer in the case of Colorado Wild Horse and Burro Coalition v. Salazar.

      • sandra longley Says:

        The only reason the court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs was that they were zeroing out the herd in that HMA..The judge made it perfectly clear-had they just gone with the “removing excess horses” the BLM would have been perfectly within their rights..You could not get a simular summary judgement on these gathers..The BLM did not even attempt to offer proof that NO minimally fisable amount of horses could be maintained there…basically the BLM lost the case all on their own.

      • sandra longley Says:

        The only way any other group is going to manage the WH&B is thru legislative action-the congress gave the authority to the BLM LEGALLY-and thats the way it will have to be taken away-by congress.

      • Karen L. Says:

        sandra, It was a case of their having their own rules used against them; and no, as I have said before, current litigation is using different points of law. The legal team at IDA is using statutory points never brought forth in previous lawsuits against the BLM. It has given the BLM pause, but whether IDA will ultimately prevail will have to be seen. Yes, we have discussed before that federal legislative action and possibly an amendment to the WH&B Act will be necessary for lasting change, including alteration in the managing agency for the equines.

        I think Mar is talking about “on the ground” grassroots management for individual herds so that a cache of data exists that can be used to enhance whatever new laws may be forthcoming.

  11. Sue Says:

    Michael is right. We need to be putting pressure on the big cattle producers who are grazing their cattle on public land. They are the ones who run the BLM. Stop eating beef if you care about the horses. You can’t have it both ways.

    I also agree with one of the other posters, that the HSUS needs to get involved. Especially now that there are so many needless deaths! Everyone needs to contact them, they are always asking for money, now have them work for it.

  12. Joette Snyder Says:

    The BLM is nothing but murders, what else is there to say.

  13. Savewildhorses Says:

    Please don’t forget to mention the stallion who broke his neck a few days ago when a helicopter was allowed to hover over the pens. This is gross mismanagement and cruel and inhumane treatment of animals.

  14. equus5 Says:

    I wrote to the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) and Defenders of Wildlife a while back asking them to sign on to the Unified Call for an Immediate Moratorium on Wild Horse & Burro Roundups. Someone from CBD wrote me saying that “horses and burros are not native species and there are far too many of them”. Defenders never wrote back to me. Both of these groups are supposed to be about saving species native to the United States, however neither one of them seem concerned about wild equines or even think they are a native species for that matter. They don’t seem to get that wolves, bison and wild horses and burros are all in the same boat. For all their talk about stopping the roundups, isn’t HSUS in cahoots with the BLM concerning PZP?

    • sandra longley Says:

      They must be too busy saving the wild turkeys and the wild llamas-the only wildlife that is considered native to the US…fact…

    • Karen L. Says:

      HSUS published a ‘position paper’ supporting a moratorium on roundups sometime last fall. Then, they started their own petition about a month ago after lots of public pressure for them to do more. Whether they are doing enough is essentially a matter of opinion, but they have always believed that judicious fertility control is the way to keep the horses on the range. They believe that roundups and warehousing can/could be avoided by simply using contraception. I am linking an article that explains their thinking on contraception and PZP. PZP was developed at the University of California-Davis and is now distributed by Dr. Jay Kirkpatrick, who, incidentally, has authored a paper on wild horses as a native species.
      http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/wild_horses/facts/saving_wild_horses_101509.html

  15. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I THINK THAT LISA IS RIGHT–WE NEED TO GET THE HORSES AND BURROS OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. IT SEEMS THAT THE BEST LEGAL ROUTE IS THROUGH IDA–IT DOESN’T TAKE TOO MUCH–A LITTLE FROM EACH OF US–TO DONATE AND PUMP UP THEIR COFFERS.

  16. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA–THAT IS WHAT I MEANT TO TYPE. CALLING WHITE HOUSE COMMENT LINE, AND THEY JUST GOT ME THROUGH AS I WAS TYPING.

    • sandra longley Says:

      Louie, it will literally take an “act of congress” to remove the WH&B from the BLM…they can’t just give it over to another group whether they want to or not.

  17. Nora Morbeck Says:

    I just read through the article. I’m so heartsick.
    I have a rescue mare who almost died of complications related to foaling. She made it through in really rough shape — fractured her pelvis and lost her foal. I stepped in in the following days and took care of her and she’s still with me today.
    The mare who died during this ordeal suffered horrible, preventable agony. No one stepped in to help her. They should have.
    In the wild, she may not have made it, but at least she would’ve been with her herd in familiar surroundings.
    And the BLM rounded her up for her own good.
    I’m going to go cry now and hug my horses…

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      There is no 24 hour watch on the thousands of horses in holding. the Calico horses have not adjusted well and the foaling is starting. There needs to be a better system in place for the care of mares during foaling. I know they are wild. I know that the Vet has no private practice and he only works for BLM. This is not good enough. Mares need to be in more pens, fewer numbers in each pen.
      We cannot let the death toll come to a horse a day any longer. mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        having foaled out alot of mares-I can tell you-wild horses would be extremely difficult to help with foaling complications…mares will get up and down to try to reposistion a foal-the approach of a human being will complicate matters as the mare will abandon the process-to escape the human being.

    • Karen L. Says:

      It’s unconscionable.

  18. Laura Says:

    It is MORE than REPREHENSIBLE the atrocities that are ongoing at the BLM facilities in Nevada. You people are so incredibly mean at heart. Your consciences tell you that you are so very wrong and that you are being so very cruel to these INNOCENT WILD HORSES, torn from their country, ripped from their families, abused to the utmost degree, it is SO UNCONSCIONABLE.

    Why, why, why……….it is so senseless. I feel for those horses.

    GOD is looking down on you!!

  19. jan Says:

    February 11, 2010
    Keep Wild Horses on the Range
    Dear Friend,
    For too long, the Bureau of Land Management has “managed” wild horse and burro populations by unjustifiably — and often inhumanely — removing them from their environment by the thousands. At least 46 horses have died or been killed in incidents related to the roundups taking place at the Calico Complex in Nevada, including two colts who were run for so many miles that the young horses hooves subsequently became infected and fell off. There are more humane and fiscally responsible methods of managing wild horses on the range, such as fertility control, and these cruel and costly round-ups must stop.

    Please urge the federal government to stop its inhumane roundups of wild horses. Thank you for all you do to help animals.

    Wayne Pacelle, President & CEO

    this is comment from the humane society i got in email

  20. jan Says:

    so if we can get humane society and aspca with us and then we have ida – there are other animal rescue groups too as well as the horse protection and wild horse preservation groups – we just need someone from each group to get together maybe with ginger or someone else frm cloud and form a new group with clout and legal people to take on the blm – only well known people are going to be able to make a dent on this one – bring on board madeline pickens – she has money to fight – you are going to need money and a high powered legal team to take on the blm –

  21. jan Says:

    something i found about blm and stimulus money

    BLM Concentrating on Renewable Energy Projects That Could Meet Stimulus Funding Deadline

    Fast-Track Approach Picks Up the Pace on Renewable Energy without Cutting Corners
    With the December 2010 deadline for obtaining incentive funding under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act only a year off, Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Director Bob Abbey today reaffirmed the agency’s commitment to helping the nation reach its “green energy future” by guaranteeing full environmental analysis and public review for the 31 renewable energy projects that have met the required milestones to remain on the fast-track list for expedited processing.

    Abbey said that this first wave of projects (14 solar, 7 wind, 3 geothermal, and 7 transmission) range in scale from as small as 24 megawatts up to 986 megawatts, large enough to supply power to 900,000 homes. Technologies vary, as does acreage involved, but he said “they represent the first generation of large-scale renewable energy projects to be carefully sited on public lands over the next several years.”

    “The BLM is committed to helping diversify this country’s energy portfolio in an environmentally responsible manner,” Abbey said.

    Fast-track projects are those where the companies involved have demonstrated to the BLM that they have made sufficient progress to formally start the environmental review and public participation process. These projects are advanced enough in the permitting process that they could potentially be cleared for approval by December 2010, thus making them eligible for economic stimulus funding under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

    “The fast-track process is about focusing our staff and resources on the most promising renewable energy projects,” said Abbey, “not about cutting corners, especially when it comes to environmental analyses or opportunities for public participation.” All renewable energy projects proposed for BLM-managed lands will receive the full environmental review required by the National Environmental Protection Act and will include the same opportunities for public involvement required for all other land-use decision making by the BLM.

    To help focus the BLM’s resources on the processing of wind, solar and geothermal energy applications and electrical transmission facilities on the public lands, Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar called for the BLM to establish a network of Renewable Energy Coordination Offices that would include appropriate multi-disciplinary BLM staff and resources from other Federal and State agencies to assist in the processing of applications. So far, the BLM has established Renewable Energy Coordination Offices in California, Nevada, Arizona, and Wyoming, where the majority of the existing workload for renewable energy applications and projects is currently located.

    The BLM has also identified nearly 23 million acres of public land with solar energy potential in six southwestern states and more than 20 million acres of public land with wind energy potential in 11 western states. It has completed programmatic environmental impact studies for wind and geothermal development and is working on a programmatic environmental impact study (PEIS) for solar development. The Solar PEIS has preliminarily identified 24 Solar Energy Study Areas on BLM-administered land located in six western states. The BLM would fully evaluate these solar energy study areas for their environmental and resource suitability for large-scale solar energy production. The objective is to provide landscape-scale planning and zoning for solar projects on BLM lands in the West, allowing a more efficient process for permitting and siting responsible solar development.

    “Diversifying our energy supply does not mean that we will neglect the responsible development of the oil and gas resources on the public lands,” added Director Abbey. Since January 21, 2009, the BLM has held 35 oil and gas lease sales offering 2.7 million acres across the West. The 1,312 leases that sold generated over $136 million in revenue for American taxpayers.

    • Linda Says:

      RE: “carefully sited” solar arrays”. I pulled up several solar maps and compared them to the locations of proposed solar arrays, epecially in California (BLM map). The “red zones” have the greatest potential for solar capture (more sun days – Yuma, AZ, is the highest). As you move through the “yellow zones”, the sun days decrease, and a number of arrays are planned for “yellow zones”.

      So far, NM has only one proposed array on the BLM map. The governor is pushing for another (near Carlsbad, I think). There are plenty of sun days in states along the Mexican Border. Seems like this would be the best place to locate the arrays, but I’m not sure these giant collectors would be good for ANY of our wild lands.

      I have a couple of questions I’m pursuing regarding how light pollution effects the natural rhythms of animals and plants, and how daily heat gain and nightly heat emmissions will impact areas around the arrays, especially in desert and high-desert areas.

  22. jan Says:

    i know this is old but the judge sets out some good points when the ida filed their law suit against the blm – they were not prepared so could not get anywhere with the blm – you need A FANASTIC LAWYER TO TAKE ON BLM

    Update Dec. 23, 2009: Judge Paul L. Friedman has denied the motion by plaintiffs In Defense of Animals, Craig Downer and Terri Farley, for a preliminary injunction to stop the roundup of up to 2,736 wild horses from the Calico Mountain Complex herd management areas in Nevada.

    But the judge has also rejected that BLM can continue to keep unadopted wild horses and burros in long term facilities. The judge agreed with the plaintiff that BLM has no authority to transport healthy unadoptable horses and hold them in long term holding facilities especially in places where they were not located previously, Oklahoma, Kansas or South Dakota.

    The judge, however, found the plaintiffs did not raise this argument until their reply brief and it could not be the basis for a preliminary injunction. The judge said the defendants had not had time to brief the issue fully. The judge did reject the BLM’s contention that Congress had ratified its policies of putting unadopted wild horses and burros into long term holding facilities by approving appropriations bills.

    The judge suggested the agency postpone the roundup scheduled for December 28 but declined to issue an injunction at this time. The judge reasoned that if the BLM proceeds with the gather, knowing that long term holding may not be an option and with no funds under the Appropriations Act, FY 2010, for euthanization or sale for slaughter, the agency must come up with another solution for the horses it will have removed from the wild. The judge said that once removed as excess, the horses could not at that point simply be returned to the herd areas.

    The judge found “untenable” the plaintiffs’ other contention that BLM cannot round up and remove horses en masse. The court rejected the plaintiffs’ interpretation of the Wild Free Roaming Horses and Burros Act, 16 U.S.C. Sec. 1331 et seq, (WFRHBA) that BLM must determine on a case by case basis those horses deemed “excess” or causing an overpopulation, and then remove them under a tiered approach with the old, sick and lame taken first and then the healthy adoptable horses. The judge said such a process would put the BLM in “an impossible Catch-22” because the agency could not really evaluate the health or age of horses without capturing them first. The judge found the WFRHBA did not prohibit the BLM’s current method of rounding up horses, separating them, sterlizing and returning some and placing others in short term holding facilities for adoption or sale.

    Judge Friedman did also say the public and BLM’s interest in controlling the overpopulation of wild horses could be negatively impacted by a delay. He said “issuance of an injunction at this stage might lead to substantial growth in already overpopulated herds” in the Calico Complex. The judge said that, according to BLM, a spring roundup could result in more injuries for the wild horses.

    This ruling does not end the case. With this ruling, judge rejected the motion for a preliminary injunction to keep the status quo pending a final decision. It is a serious warning to BLM that the judge does not think its policy of keeping wild horses in long term holding facilities, is legal. But, unfortunately, unless BLM takes the judge’s advice, the Calico roundup will proceed on Dec. 28.

    At this point, the best course of action is to call on President Barack Obama and BLM to stop the roundups. Urge Congress to take action, too, and demand a stop to these roundups! Go here to find out how you can join the call for a moratorium on BLM roundups of wild horses and burros.

    For more on the plaintiffs’ allegations, read Animal Law Coalition’s original report below.

    Original report: The plaintiffs, In Defense of Animals, wildlife ecologist Craig Downer and journalist and author, Terri Farley, are optimistic U.S. District Court Judge Paul L. Friedman, will grant their request for a preliminary injunction to stop the Bureau of Land Management (BLM)’s plan to round up wild horses from the Calico Mountain Complex in Nevada.

    Plaintiffs say BLM’s proposed round up set to begin December 28 violates the Wild Free Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971, 16 U.S.C. §1331 et seq., and is arbitrary and capricious, an abuse of discretion, and in excess of and without legal authority, in violation of the Administrative Procedures Act, 5 U.S.C. §701 et seq.

    The judge has promised to rule before Christmas.

    In their First Amended Complaint the plaintiffs point out BLM has no authority under the Wild Free Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971, 16 U.S.C. §1331 et seq., to use helicopters to round up wild horses en masse and hold them in short or long term holding facilities. BLM is required to manage the wild horses and burros as “components” of the public lands on which they were living as of 1971 or on designated ranges. 16 U.S.C. §1333 BLM must manage them at “the minimal feasible level”. 16 U.S.C. §1333 WFRHBA forbids the capture, harassment, death and inhumane treatment of these animals. 16 U.S.C. §1331, 43 CFR 4700.0-2, -5

    U.S. District Court Judge Rosemary Collyer ruled recently in the case, Colorado Wild Horse and Burro Coalition, Inc. v. Salazar, No. 06-1609 (D.D.C 2009):

    “It would be anomalous to infer that by authoriz

  23. jan Says:

    anyway point meant by judge – you need to be 100 per cent prepared to take on a govt agency and i think ida kind of did their lawsuit on the spur of the moment so had not had time to completely research the issue with the blm

    • Karen L. Says:

      The actual case will be heard on April 30.
      http://www.buchananingersoll.com/news.php?NewsID=3898

      • sandra longley Says:

        is that in reference to the most recent case?

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, the actual Calico case. Is that what you’re asking? All the other court time was spent on the temporary and permanent preliminary injunctions—the injunction was not granted, but Friedman found merit for the ACTUAL case to go forward, and it is scheduled in April. Did you click on the link? (I’m not being ugly, just trying to understand the question.)

        As far as I know, nothing has been done on the Eagle case since the BLM postponed the roundup. There is no need for further action until they reschedule.

      • Karen L. Says:

        This addresses the Calico case going forward, despite denial of the injunction.
        http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/ar-lawsuit.html

      • sandra longley Says:

        I was asking about the eagle case since I had heard no more about it. I have already read the other case-Usually a judge will grant an injuction if he thinks you have a chance of winning..he did say you couldn’t return an excess once you had gathered them-altho I don’t know why not.

  24. jan Says:

    i went online and found a lot of stuff – anyway looked up about the watershed project – it must be a private group – they overturned in 2007 the policy of the blm grazing cattle in a certain area – it was destroying the natural habitit for wild life – now if we could do it everywhere – and i wonder about their position on the wild horses – we might have an ally that has already won a victory against the blm

    • J.T. Quinn Says:

      Western Watersheds allowed a small band of wild horses to live on their “Greenfire Preserve” in Idaho. This was part of the Challis herd that was rounded up last year by the BLM. I don’t think they were happy about it.

    • sandra longley Says:

      I did some research on them and was very impressed..I discovered they had purchased a 55,000 acre sanctuary, where they have 16 wild horses, woves deer and antelope grouse-ect..They have won quite a few court cases and got a large amount of allotments taken away from the cattle..they have nailed the BLM over and over.. and I started reading them to see how they were being so sucessful–it was fun reading the cases!-I suggested we find a way to partner with them to do range science or at least give us a protocol for their methadology.

      • Karen L. Says:

        sandra, Please post a link to your source material on the sanctuary for us.

      • sandra longley Says:

        Jan already gave you the link below, I ckicked on everything on their home page..read their research, their lawsuits, about us-ect..and that is probably where I read about their sanctuary. I plan on joining and donating to their cause. I see their proof and lawsuits won as something we can use in court to back up our claims.

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, I know about their site. I am just not finding that specific sanctuary reference; that’s why I’m asking. I think Mar asked as well, on the other thread. The Greenfire Preserve is mentioned as the habitat for 16 wild horses and various other wildlife, but it’s not that large.

      • sandra longley Says:

        WWP manages the 432-acre the Greenfire Preserve on the East Fork of the Salmon River in Central Idaho. The Preserve incorporates more than 1.25 miles of the East Fork, which provides critical habitat for Chinook salmon, steelhead and bull trout all listed under the Endangered Species Act. The preserve also provides winter habitat for 150 elk, over 2000 whitetail and mule deer, wolves and the remnant White Cloud herd of Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep. The Preserve also provides year-round habitat for a wild horse band of sixteen horses. Since WWP began management of the property, more than 50,000 acres of public-lands grazing allotments associated with the Preserve have been closed to livestock grazing. Peregrine falcons, bobcats, spotted bats and wolf packs have replaced cattle. WWP’s management program for Greenfire includes an extensive restoration project funded in part by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

        Excerpt from “the about us” link..I read this to say ,they have aquired management of this allotment to go with their deeded acreage.(thus..50,000 acres

      • sandra longley Says:

        WWP’s long-term partner in our efforts to bring the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service into compliance with national environmental laws is the non-profit environmental law firm Advocates For The West in Boise, Idaho.

        This is a law firm that Spriggs should contact-read their lawsuits against the BLM..they are very effective arguments..plus, spriggs can cite all of these lawsuits to show that the BLM has not effectively managed the lands

      • sandra longley Says:

        Following this train of thought: Critical science is going to be gained from their restoration of this 50,000 acres destroyed by cattle grazing..how long it takes to bring those forage areas back, what methods work best ect..this can be used to restore the lands our horses roam on now..Look at the numbers of grazers on the small amount of acreage in their preserve-plus the horses…and the BLM says it takes how many acres just for one horse…hopefully their work will provide real science we can take to court. We need to show..there are NO excess horses..only bad management.

    • sandra longley Says:

      I was amazed-there are only 1500 members, have a budget of 1 million and have volunteers doing field science across the west..I see in looking thru their photos of research…cages mysteriously disappear from their test plots on allotments..????

      • sandra longley Says:

        Must be cows walking around with cages over their heads..I guess they couldn’t sell it as free range beef if it was raised in a cage..LOL..mostly likely ranchers have a blackmarket business in used cages…

  25. sandra longley Says:

    I guess ranchers are getting soft ..in the early days they shot the sheepmen and all their sheep, and burned out the homsteaders-cause they didn’t like farmers fencing their cows off of “their” land.

  26. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    IT DOES SAY IN THE WILD HORSE AND BURRO ACT THAT IT IS ILLEGAL TO USE AIRCRAFT. DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET ERIN BROCKOVICH?

    • sandra longley Says:

      Louie, in this new lawsuit Sprigs was supposed to file to stop the next roundup(I am not sure if that was done) one of the three issues he was filing on was: The method used for the round-up is illeagle, they violate rule 1333(b)(2)..and i am sure it is in refrence to airial roundups.

  27. sandra longley Says:

    This is what Senator Ensign, the Jr. Senator from Nevada had to say today:

    The recent Calico Mountain horse roundup conducted by the Bureau of Land Management has grabbed Ensign’s attention. The two-term senator would like to find a way for both sides — the BLM and horse advocates — come together on a plan.

    “There is so much emotion with the wild horses that folks from all sides don’t seem to be willing to sit down at the table and work things out,” he said.

    Eventually, Ensign said he would like to see a compromise. For now, though, Ensign said he is concerned with the welfare of the wild horses.

    “Half of all wild horses are in Nevada,” he said. “I love horses as much as anyone. As a veterinarian there are certain practical things you have to do with the animals. Because they are not native species, they don’t have a lot of natural predators. If they increase too much in their population, a lot of animals will be suffering, starving to death.”

    Ensign said the ranchers also have a right to the ranges.

    “Nevadans and Nevada ranchers have a right to have the kind of life they have had … that traditional life of using the ranges.”

    However, Ensign said there is a balance of life to control the wild horse and burro population. He said the issue won’t be easy to resolve.

    “The Sierra Club has chimed in because they understand the kind of damage that can happen out there,” Ensign said. “If you let them (horses) go crazy, you will see a lot of damage out there.”

    Ensign, though, said measures must be in place to recognize the symbolism of the horse in the West, while at the same time, recognizing that their population must be controlled.

    • sandra longley Says:

      http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20100225/NEWS/100229925/1055&ParentProfile=1045

      this is the link to this story if you would like to comment, I already did, this paper is out of Fallon Nevada and regularly has articles on the BLM roundups..its good to drop a comment there. I worked as a political blogger for the last 2 years and know how important and effective it is to hit each and everyone of these stories with comments..Only a handful of people contribute to comment-who you are trying to convince with your arguments–are the people that we call “lurkers” or drivebys…they come and read-and those are the people you will sway with your arguments-you won’t sway the people who comment…we are all set in our beliefs..but you will have the opportunity to sway the people who are not…If you can give a link to some good info…so much the better..some sites won’t let you put links up..but it helps to prove you have a real “source for your information”

    • LoriProphoto Says:

      If the Ranchers have a right to the ranges as well then the ranchers should pay a realistic fee to have that right not the measly $1.35 per cow and calf or whatever it is which puts a huge bill around the taxpayers’ necks!!! We are footing the bill for the balance of $12 odd per cow and calf if I remember correctly. If they want the use of the range then they must pay for it not us!

  28. jan Says:

    hey go after anyone that may help – i like erin brockovich – shes a fighter too – i tried to email the nature conservancy but could not find a place to contact them – they help protect land and animals – and i did email the watershed group about how they feel about the wild horses in general – need a famous name to contact some of these groups – madeline has a lot of our stuff posted on her website so i asked her if she was member on here – i usually get email from her after i write her – hey email paul mc carty – he is suppose to be doing a concert in los angeles area this year – or robert redford – both support one of the wild horse groups – not hardly any movie cowboys left – dont know about clint eastwood – and write steven spielberg – he did the movie spirit and i emailed ms – they have a new server program called cloud and found out they do donate money to worthwhile causes

    • sandra longley Says:

      Tommy Lee Jones, Sylvestor Stallone and his brother all are polo players..tommy Lee has ranches in texas and new mexico and is an avid horseman, (I bought hay at his ranch in NM when i was down there)

      • sandra longley Says:

        what about ted turner, any celebrity who owns ranches in the west, and there are alot of them..Remember only 3% of all cattle come from those grazing allotments. We do have friends among the ranchers..Most ranchers actually raise cattle on their “own” land, lets make sure we try to acknowledge that. How about Kevin Costner, goldie hawn and her husband in montana..I am sure we could come up with alot of names…hey all they can say is no…and we don’t let a little word like no stop us!!!

      • Laura Evans Says:

        What about Tim Mcgraw, he did that movie Flicka and Matt Damon was the voice of Spirit.

  29. jan Says:

    two places to write and write and write – the humane society – humanesociety@hsus.org and the aspca – humanel@aspca.org

    send them a ton of email – i cut and pasted from here the article on the calico horses that are still dying – send them links to videos and photos and any thing else you can find to send them – did get one phone call last month from humane soceity – i gave him an ear full – nicely or go to their websites and CALL

  30. jan Says:

    well that senator from nevada apparently has not done much research on the wild horses or he would not say what he said – he shd do his homework before he expresses an opinion and as far as ranchers go – they are using our public lands to grow their beef – not their own private land – and the horses were there first – if the land is so poor in nevada that you need 1,000 acres per cow then find another business to do – and leave the horses alone because they do fine on this type of enviroment – they are productive on a little bit than a cow that eats and eats and eats – and i suppose the ranchers give the cattle feed in the winter – never saw a cow paw the ground to get at grass under the snow – buffalo do but not cows – they are too lazy and too dumb to figure that out

    • truth Says:

      talk about doing more research wow yes you literaly wow me cows eat and eat and eat no obviously you have never seen a cow lay in the pasture and chew its cud im not sure what kind of research your looking for but this laying down and chewing its cud is something that only cows do this is cause only cows have a seires of four digestive passages they lay down and chew their cud as a way of passing the feed from one to the next a process that takes up much more time that actually grazing this is one of the things that makes a cow choice for raising as a meat product is they eat less and get more out of the feed because of their complex digestive tracts its ok though you just got it backwards you see a horse on the other hand never stops grazing and much of the feed can be passed through partially digested the difference can be seen in their fecies a cowpie is made of really fine particles and a horse has a real fiberous wast from the partialy broken down food however you may be right a cow is to stupid to paw at the ground and dig through the snow therefore causing much less destruction to the fresh new spring time grasses that are trying to sprout under the snow cover thus in a cow pasture the grasses for next season have a chance to start growing throught in an even mannor instead of having blotchy spots where the sprouting grass has been dug up and destroyed from the say smarter more destructive constantly diging for food animals in conclution if you watch your horse and actually note the time your horse spends grazing each day you will see it is a continious feeding that is to say you actually have a horse or have seen a cow hows that for homework jan i guess you will have to actually figure this out for yourself so i recomend getting out of the city and learning something of the subject before you express an opinion

  31. jan Says:

    got answer from western watersheds – from jon – posting his answer to me about if they support leaving the wild horses on the land – think we have found a great ally to take on blm:

    Jan:

    Thanks for your email.

    WWP is opposed to the removal of wild horses. Instead the BLM and other federal agencies need to forthrightly address the much much larger problem of cattle and domestic sheep impacts on public lands and wildlife habitat. The wild horse and burro issue is a distraction from the issue of cattle and sheep on public lands.

    There are many places on public lands for wild horses and burros to live especially after cattle and sheep are removed.

    I have talked with Ginger Kathrens and have been in touch with many other wild horse advocates over many years.

    WWP welcomes and encourages the involvement of wild horse and burro advocates in working to end public lands ranching which is the main reason wild horses and burros are captured and relocated off of public lands.

    Jon Marvel
    ED WWP
    208-788-2290

    his email is jon#westernwatershed.org

    • Karen L. Says:

      Nice, jan! They are definitely forward thinking in their knowledge that public lands grazing practices are the root of many problems for wild horses and other wildlife and habitat.

    • Linda Says:

      Great contact, jan.

      I’ve been trying to understand how this puzzle fits together – the Taylor Grazing Act, the WFRH&B Act, the USFS policies, individual state laws, the EPA (HUGE player), etc. There are so many contridictions, but there is one thing they have in common – WATER.

      It’s not about the land. It’s about the water. Everybody wants it. The question is who has the right to manage it and the right to use it?

    • Linda Says:

      Went to the Western Watersheds Project website and cruised around. Some great stuff there, especially the before and after photos of how cattle destroy the land. The Merle Haggard quote on their home page is PRICELESS!

      Jon Marvel’s reply to Jan is promising. Water issues are certainly worth pursuing. If we can get WWP on board, even in a limited way, it would be another arguement against removing the wild ones. THE CATTLE HAVE GOT TO GO!

      Wish we had a WWP presence in NM.

  32. jan Says:

    whoops email shd be jon@westernwatershed.org

    cant type

  33. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SEN. ENSIGN NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE HORSES ARE NOT A NON-NATIVE SPECIES. CRAIG DOWNER IS THE BEST ONE TO PRESENT THOSE FACTS TO HIM. THAT IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF MISINFORMATION THAT WE ARE WORKING TO CORRECT. AS FAR AS FENCES– ANTELOPE CAN’T JUMP THEM EITHER, SO FENCING HURTS THEM, AS WELL. I REMEMBER SEEING AN ANTELOPE HUNT ONCE–WE WERE ON VACATION AND HAPPENED TO BE IN THE AREA. THE ANTELOPE WERE TRAPPED WITHIN A FENCED AREA WITH HUNTERS ON ALL SIDES. I FELT ABOUT THEM THEN, AS I FEEL ABOUT THE HORSES NOW. TERRIFIED ANIMALS WITH NO WAY TO ESCAPE–HAVE NOT EVER FORGOTTEN THAT.

  34. jan Says:

    i am glad that head of watershed group has been in touch with ginger and i asked him if he ever visits the cloud blog and feel free to comment – and maybe we can get his legal team to help us against the blm – way to go

  35. Linda Says:

    A blast from the past you might find interesting.

    I read the BLM synopsis of the Taylor Grazing Act. It was originally passed in 1934, and has been amended several times since then. Although the BLM asserts it is “about the land”, and is not the “Bureau of Cows”, they seem to place a great deal of emphasis on managing the land for cattle.

    In 1939, Richard Rutledge was named Director of the U.S. Grazing service. He laid out rules of conduct for his employees. In 1946, the U.S. Grazing service became part of a new Agency – the BLM. The BLM refers to Rutledge’s standards as the foundation of their mission. I was particularly interested in his statement regarding Public Service:

    “Let’s get it firmly fixed in our minds at the outset that we are public servants, employed by the public, and paid by the public from funds provided by taxation in some form. We are responsible to the entire public and are not bureaucratic bosses to work our will upon the pubic as we see fit.”

    This guy had a grip on accountability. Unfortunately, he’s long dead.

    You can read more about Rutledge’s rules of conduct, the Taylor Grazing Act and it’s amendments at:

    http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/field_offices/Casper/range/taylor.1.html

    • sandra longley Says:

      Yes and there in lies the problem…the only over sight for the BLM that can change anything is the legislature..The GAO reprimands them, everyone realises they are horribly mismanaged..but look at the mess congress is in..they cannot come to an agreement on what to have for lunch…and they have alot on their plate..unless this is going to get them votes..they are not going to bother with it. I am thinking we should call this ‘horsegate”-a scandle involving billions of tax dollars squandered by removing the wild horses to zoos So they can fastrack their energy plans on the broken backs of horses..i put this full on the back of salazar-bush started this and just wanted to slaughter them..so you could say Salazar could be worse-what concerns me, is what happens if we stop him from trucking them out-are we back to having to stop them from being slaughtered..Do we have a plan..and I mean legal-to get them turned back out? It seems to me we have to prove that those 30,000+ horses are not excess..and to do that we have to prove the land can support them HMA by HMA-or we can make the BLM prove that the forage is not sufficent to support turning 30,000 back out. We can show they have not used the USGS to provide that science, since they have the support of the sierra club..they will probably bring those groups in to testify..but they have no experts on equine or grazing management to be considered as science.. We are in the middle of a tax revolt in this country-that could work against us..so we need a plan in advance.

  36. jan Says:

    sometimes you see something on the news that tho in a tragic circumstance it is being used – i think may be used to watch over horses at fallon – a family from san diego is missing and their car was found near mexico border – no one has seen them for 3 weeks – and after searching police have not found them – so a company in texas has offered to help search – they will use a remote heat senestive camera mounted on a drone plane to fly over area from san diego to where their car was found – at this point i think family is dead but they hope to find them alive – anyway the company is called Texas Equusearch and they use remote cameras to search as well as on horseback when people go missing and they have an underwater sonar camera too – they were called in on the natalie hollway case – my point is maybe they could volunteer a camera on a drone so horses at fallon can be checked out – just an idea – company has a website

    • sandra longley Says:

      I think BLM had on the updates- that an “unknown” helicopter flew over the pens and caused at least one death.

    • Laura Evans Says:

      In the latest Cloud film Ginger talked about flying a helicopter at a really high altitude that didn’t disturb the horses but still be able to film.

  37. jan Says:

    i think the majority of the so-called elected people in washington now think they do not have to answer to the ones who voted for them – and the ones who try get trampled –

    what specifically did the rider passed in 2004 say – was it just written to get rid of the horses off the public lands – will have to go back and read that

    thanks for posting on the grazing rights – guess the cattlemen thot all the western lands belonged to them – they drove off the native americans, and the homesteaders and sheep ranchers – anyone else that tried to settle “on their land.”

    • sandra longley Says:

      Yeah, and don’t forget they virtually wiped out the buffalo-to starve the indians to death..Which is why we must constantly be playing chess with them…trying always to figure out there next move. Elk used to be a plains animal..not a woods animal and buffalo was always a plains animal, as soon as gold oil or some other desireable use was found for the land they moved them ..Now when the buffalo try to migrate out of yellowstone because the snow is so deep they can no longer dig for food..they shoot them because the ranchers don’t want them to pass brucellosis to their cows..but that is where the buffalo got it to begin with..You would think we could be a more generous society-we continue to take from those who have so little..They refuse to feed the buffalo in the park..and then shoot them when they try to leave to get food…

  38. sandra longley Says:

    Jan..the USGS in colo.springs did the long term plan for the WH&B management..done in 2002 and then amended in 2005..It is very interesting..it has all their recommendations…and one i found very interesting..was that the use of global imaging(what the military uses to see what the enemy is up to in detail) could be used to count the horses…and virtually eliminate the need for gathers…twice in the report they recommended it.

  39. jan Says:

    i forgot about google – they have that earth program online – i think webcams are good ideas too – they can be placed where no one can see them – they blend in and then someone could ck on their computer what is really going on –

  40. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA, WE HAVE COMMENTED IN THE LAHONTAN VALLEY NEWS AND DUKED IT OUT WITH SOME OF THE SNIPERS. WE MOVED ON. ARE THEY STILL AT IT?

  41. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    SANDRA, I COMMENTED. MY COMMENT WENT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM YOURS–YOU COVERED EVERYTHING SO WELL. YOU CAN HIT THE LEGAL END.

    • sandra longley Says:

      Its just you and i over there Louie, usually we get some negative feedback there..I added another post..as i had more in my craw about Mr. Sanctimonious-will check later to see if we have ruffled any feathers..Thanks for posting!

    • Karen L. Says:

      Well, I started to comment there, but became so irritated that I decided against it. Does he not say that he is a veterinarian in that release? If a man educated in the bio-sciences then starts with that nonsense about ‘no natural predators’, then I’m not sure what can be done to correct his ways of thinking….

      • sandra longley Says:

        Yeah, I thought he implied he was a veternarian as well-must not have been able to make a living at it…and “those horses just going “crazy” out there on the land..an indication that maybe he has a drinking problem as well.

      • Karen L. Says:

        The idiotic spin on these issues by people who should know better! I have no patience with it/them at all any more. Nor would I want them to represent me in any capacity!

    • LoriProphoto Says:

      I commented here too and it hasnt been posted, hmm wonder what I could have said that stopped it from being put up?

  42. Karen L. Says:

    FYI—The Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources will hear the DOI budget on March 3, next Wednesday. I think the IDA site has a contact form as well. Again, here’s the link to comment. (Remember this is not the same as the Appropriations Committee, which also has a budget hearing for the DOI coming up.)
    http://energy.senate.gov/public/#

    • sandra longley Says:

      Received a reply back from the distinguished senator from michigan…because I am not a resident of her state..she cannot address my concerns…..How is it that a member of a comittee does not represent any US citizen, when they are serving in that capacity? Think I will do it again and ask every member on that comittee how they can serve in that capacity..and only represent the concerns of their individual states..they have to be accountable in that capacity.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yes, I received an e-mail from the Michigan senator as well. Mostly, I was stunned to receive any response at all, much less within 24 hours. My take on what she said is that she will consider the input (the concerns), but that she is unable to issue a quick personal reply because of constraints within the mail system set up for the Michigan constituents. The same thing happened to me in the past when I wrote to Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein of California on burro issues—they responded that they received the message and would consider it as any other, but were unable to respond through their constituent mail. I am happy to know that they have received the input as I have written it.

      • sandra longley Says:

        I believe that is an automated reply..it is the exact same message to me..generated too fast to be otherwise. One of my state senators is on that committe and am waiting to hear from him..but I am also sending him a personal e-mail

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, exactly.

    • LoriProphoto Says:

      Seems we need to find someone on here that is from Michigan, and get them to send it in! I had an experience once similar when I wrote a senator, cant remember which one it was now, saying the same thing because I wasnt from his state. Anyone from Michigan want to step up?

      • Karen L. Says:

        Lori, This Michigan senator is on the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. In her reply to me, she did not say she would not consider the message as viable input; she simply said she was limited in RESPONDING to me via a more personal letter. She got the message, and the whole point was exactly that.

  43. jan Says:

    isnt this where the ROAM bill is – in the engery part – no word if they will work on that

    • Karen L. Says:

      jan, Yes, ROAM is in the subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests, a part of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. The Senate Committee on Appropriations is a completely different group, but they both have a say in approving money for the DOI budget. The full Energy and Natural Resources Committee will hear the DOI budget on March 3, after its having been postponed from Feb. 10. (Big snow storm in Washington, D.C.) The Senate Appropriations Committee postponed their hearings on the DOI budget from Feb. 24, and have not rescheduled as far as I know. I do not think a date for action on ROAM has been set.

  44. jan Says:

    i tried to find google earth online – think you have to download it and pay for it so someone who can access the stalilite would have to pay for it but i know they do use it on all the national news and the weather channel uses it

    • sandra longley Says:

      The technology is military and BLM would have access to it through them…When the document was prepared by the USGS in 2002 it was shortly after 9-11 and the military was using it for terrorist surveilance..so it should be available now for the kind of use BLM would have for it..they would be able to do a rapid and accurate count and save the millions these roundups are costing

  45. jan Says:

    they used a hd camera and flew a helicopter over those areas where they filmed for the series on discovery on PLANET EARTH – the helicopter was very high up so they would not disturb the animals yet the hd camera is able to pick up creatures far away with clarity

  46. truth Says:

    someone mentioned water in their comment and your right its about the water when these horses are not properly managed thats where they pile up is around the water hole and unforntunatly its not just a few its the whole heard piles up on top of each other and rotts its really a sickening sight so stop the gathers and you will find very quickly that you will need a management tequnique better yet if you truly care about these horses you will have in place a way to manage them before you stop the gathers however if you think that a natural predator is the way to go you must realize that bears wolves lions and other such large predators are capable of taking down horses but they will soon find it much easier to simply prey on humans as we dont run near as fast and if not us do you really expect the predator to go chase the horse around thousands of miles of territory or just take the simple meal traped in the corral or tied up to the leash so you better ask yourselves is this the type of animal i want roaming in the neighborhood.

    • Linda Says:

      Hi, truth. Please go to the Western Watersheds website and look at the before and after pictures of habitat restoration. Also, read Merle Haggard’s quote on their home page.

      As for predators, I think we humans have thrown the world out of balance because of ignorance and fear. We are physically inferior, but consider ourselves mentally superior. We try to manage nature rather than understanding and being a part of it. We insist on imposing our presence and will in wild places.

      No, I don’t fancy predators in my back yard, but if I chose to be in THEIR backyard, I have to take precautions and be prepared to deal with the inevitable consquences.

      Again, please structure your comments so they are easier to understand and respond to.

  47. truth Says:

    simply put i hope you activists for the stop of the roundups get your way so you can learn what happened when the wild horse act of 1971 was passed and the roundups began soon after. the research you need to look at is why did they start gathering in the first place cause the gathers were not part of the protection act so tell me why then have they been gathering for the last 35 years?

    • Linda Says:

      Please give us some references on this. Were you there to witness these events? What is the basis and backup for your allegations?

  48. jan Says:

    remember how someone mentioned google – well the following is an article regarding how google is going to help people find family members in chile but same principle could be applied for the horses

    Google has launched a tool to help people locate friends and loved ones who might have been affected by the 8.8 magnitude earthquake in Chile on Saturday.

    Google Person Finder allows users to search for information about people by name or leave information about people in both English and Spanish. As of Monday morning, the page said it contained 35,900 records. However, the page cautions users that all data input would be viewable and usable by all and that the company plays no role in verifying the information.

    The gadget, released under an Apache 2.0 licence, can be embedded on other sites by developers.

    A Google crisis response page includes a map listing recent seismic activity in Chile, as well as resources to donate money to charities supporting the earthquake relief effort. “Your donation will help disaster victims rebuild their lives and their communities,” the page says.

    For more on this story, see Google launches person finder after Chile quake on CNET News.

  49. jan Says:

    we have been rain storm after storm here in so cal – are those storms going over to nevada or south – just wonder how the weather has been for the horses – cold here at nite

    poor things – even dont like coyotes out in this weather

  50. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HORSES WERE GATHERED AFTER 1971 BECAUSE THEY WERE GERRYMANDERED OUT OF THEIR RIGHTFUL AREAS. THOSE THAT HAD NOT WANTED THEM ON THE LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING INVISIBLE BOUNDRIES MOVED AND WATER FENCED OFF. THAT GAVE THEM A GOOD EXCUSE TO START ROUNDING THEM UP.

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