Washington DC Protest- March 25th

Calico Stallions- photo by Elyse Gardner

Calico Stallions- photo by Elyse Gardner

Save the date of Thursday, March 25th for a Washington DC protest … nearly 25 protests held to date across the country and more are in the works!

Captured wild mustangs are dying daily in the Fallon pens– BLM reports here — and the public is only allowed to observe horses on Sundays from 11-1pm by reservation.

Mustang Monday Alert from Int’l Fund for Horses– make it a day for the mustangs (and burros)- details here.

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99 Responses to “Washington DC Protest- March 25th”

  1. Morgan Williams Says:

    Wisconsinites will be represented! Debra W. and I are planning to attend.

    Debra and I are in the process of organizing a Milwaukee protest in front of BLM office downtown.

    We are also planning to hand out literature at the Midwest Horse Fair in Madison April 16th – 18th. Makendra is supplying us with petitions to sign too.

    Any other Wisconsin folks out there? Contact me at

    morganbreed@hotmail.com

  2. sandra longley Says:

    It is too bad the DC protest couldn’t be scheduled to coincide with Salazars meeting with the energy comittee for his funding requests on the 24th

  3. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Makendra, I should be returning from a burro roundup in Western Arizona. Need more details. If this is a one day in DC protest, I doubt I can swing it. mar

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      I am coming, going to drive out with Monika, just have to plan it out… see you there!!! mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        We might come… very complicated… but I can drive from Colorado in pickup and have room for 3 others and a bed in the camper. I need someone who can pay for gas…I am poor. But a place to stay while in DC is available and a couple stopovers, one coming and one going.

        I am in Southern Colorado. my pickup is in great shape and has new tires and brakes. mar

  4. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    Sandra & Morgan – I know you’re not California folks but I think Diane Feinstein is chairing Kenny’s meeting.
    If you can, contact her by e-mail at feinstein.senate.gov.
    Tell her you would like Kenny first to account for where the BLM’s Wild Horse & Burro budget goes.
    Over $30M is supposedly going to feed and care for the Captives. Since last Spring, hay and gas prices have dropped and stabilized, so why is it gonna cost more?
    This leaves approximately $29M for the remainder of the program.
    WE know the on-the-range Program neither feeds nor vets the Wild Ones, nor is any reseeding or replanting on the range done for their benefit.
    The only ‘active’ management is ‘monitoring’ and ‘gathering’
    So where the hell is the rest of the money going?
    Stay Tough and Question Everything!

  5. Nora Morbeck Says:

    Looking at the BLM reports, it sounds like there are many, many, MANY horses in “poor condition.” They’re obviously assembling their documentation — falsified, exagerrated or not. They’re going to use this documentation to justify future round ups. Just watch for it. It’s coming.
    This agency should be required to photograph all horses (and burros) prior to euthanizing. I can’t believe that there are THIS many horses in poor body condition — not when the photographic evidence from Elyse and others clearly shows that the majority of the horses are fit, fat and furry.

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      Nora- I think they do a visual record, but I don’t think it’s anything the Public is privy to.
      The two stallions in the picture above – hard to believe those boys were EVER in jeopardy.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        You’re right. They may have photos on file, but I’d venture to guess that they would substitute a photo of a ghastly emaciated horse for one of the horse they actually euthanized. That may sound paranoid, but falsifying information is really easy to do, especially when the public isn’t privy to the file photos.
        Is the vet even there for putting these horses down? Or are these bullets to the head administered by BLM staff?

      • Julie Says:

        I’d venture to guess that they might substitute a starved horse to a healthy one as well. There is probably plenty of underfed horses in holding pens.

      • Jennifer Gage Says:

        You can bet they are putting a bullet to the head. After all , it’s all about efficiency and getting the job done. There is no compassion among the wranglers. Hell, I would not be surprised if they are all inside drinking beer all day long and saying the catch all phrase in the south “let nautre take its course.” There is no way they are euthanizing. That takes patience and work.

        Lilly Thomas, whoever she is, said no video or photographs are taken of the horses. No idea if she is telling the truth. Better for them that way.

  6. Carol Says:

    Isn’t March 25th the date set for the Ely roundup?

  7. Carol Says:

    Isn’t March 25th the date set for the Ely roundup?

  8. Honor Hannon Says:

    The BLM reporting techniques are very sloppy and far to vague. What they are charging us, the American taxpayer demands an in depth accounting of exactly why and where and how each mare, foal and stallion died. A 20 year old mare having been chased 15 miles in terror is probably the lead mare of a herd and deserves the respect of at least having a chance to rest and be a presence to the others in her herd. 20 years in the wild means she carries the wisdom of survival in her mind and genes. Who is making these decisions? I would adopt her above any of the others. Show us pictures of the ones who died “for no apparent reason”. How qualified are these Vets? Dec-Jan and Feb in Nevada are heartbreaking–those poor wild ones. This insanity must stop! Why pay taxes to support these round-ups? Perhaps its time to stop paying them until they, our government starts hearing what its citizens are saying!

    • sandra longley Says:

      Having gone to the BLMs pdf for protocols for the gathers..I was astonished to see that they actually had humane procedures to be followed in the roundups and holding and loading…but in all the videos of roundups across the west…I have seen numerous violations of their own protocols-and a direct result-is what we saw at calico…Personally< I believe it is the direct result of managers caving into the private contractors…what is most expediant to them…BLM managers should have stood up to them and insisted protocols be followed to the letter..letting those that couldn't keep up peel off..they are not to be crowded that hard nor pushed those distances at those speeds…Look the whole winter roundup thing needs to be shelved in cold climates…fall gathers at least will remove weanlings from those pregnant mares-who seemed to be the majority of the few who were in lessor condition…then of course there were the majority who went downhill after the gather due to the extremes in feed…that is another thing that can be avoided by fall gathers-horses are already on richer green feed stuffs.

  9. jan Says:

    those two mustang stallions are so beautiful and proud – how can the blm take away their heritage and their gene pool – can someone adopt them before blm takes away their stallion hood – i just want to scream – leave them alone – they deserve to be FREE!!!!! and remain as stallions as God created them

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  11. Margaret Says:

    I have no idea how to plan to do a rally. I don’t know all that’s involved. That said I do feel comfy mentioning ideas for what there worth.

    Perhaps we should try to do a nationwide rally on Mar 25. It could be done county or region. Whatever those in the area feel is comfy. I admit I don’t know all the geographic areas in this country. Where there are horses or horsie people.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Margaret, Thank you for being very sensible, we should have companion Rally/Protests the same day in as many places as we can. Or that weekend. It would be a great support for everyone and the wild ones.

      Makendra, What do you think of this idea?? mar

  12. jan Says:

    there was a link – i think on tuesday horse on how to do a rally – it was posted here on cloud a few days ago – anyway i looked up the burro – the donkey came from north africa and the egyptians used it as well as other people in that area then found its way to europe and columbus when he came brought 3 jacks and 2 hinnies – females with him – other spanish explorers brought and used as beasts of burden – and some got away – started burros in this country which is spanish for donkey – they became popular with the miners who needed a small animal to carry supplies – burros have better digestion than horses can eat things that other animals cant eat so survive very well on low nutrient plants

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Louie, Time and numbers. We are not that big but if we had the time it might work. Many would join for the sake of it.

      But have a protest in support of DC where ever you are. That will be big enough?

      The Cloud Foundation has info and materials for the protesters and how to… mar

  13. Morgan Williams Says:

    Wasn’t there another BLM Advisory Board meeting in Reno this month? Did I miss a posting on that?

  14. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HOW ABOUT A “HANDS ACROSS AMERICA” RALLY?

  15. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    TUESDAY NIGHT VIGIL.

  16. sandra longley Says:

    Anyone who wants to know how to stop the BLM-needs to go to the website of “the western watershed Project”. I found this last night about 2 am and read until 3:30am..They are winning case after case against the BLM in Federal court-they have retrieved millions of acres in allotments…stopped them cold..got the allotments pulled-exposed their deceit in a way none of us has been able to do-they have their ducks in a row..look at their research pages-tests and trials..they have PROVEN their case time and again against the BLM..Its what we need…we all know what they say are lies and half truths..we haven’t been able to prove it in a court of law. they have…The WWP is 1500 members with a 1 million dollar budget…and look at what they have done…They are GUNSLINGERS….and somehow we need to form a co-olition with them…They have the research and knowlege and a VERY savvy legal team. and we have the voices…I seriously think if we could mesh our goals, and find a commonality-we could get a permanent solution..I will bet the BLM cringes when the hear the name western watersheds project! I was hoping the cloud foundation could make contact with them-or at the very least the legal team with IDA could consult with them.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      To both of your posts… Glad you are finding all this. BLM is a paradox. That they can function outside all protocals and even use them to pervert them is amazing; see Cindy MacDonald’s blog, American Herds; her last two posts and many others explain what BLM does though the total Why is illusive.

      The Western Watershed Project is a supporter of the Moratorium and they do stand with us. Katie Fite’s article about the Calico Range is amazing and detailed. Excellent. There is also an article I posted about WWP that is very informative of their mission. mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        Why-isn’t illusive to me…it is easier to do sloppy work-it takes more effort planning and time to follow the protocols…They are allowing the contractor to go “rouge” like blackwater does…and giving them immunity to do so.
        We need more than support of the moritorium with WWP-we need to form a coalition-a partnership-they have expertise that we do not have..they have had the time and effort invested to do scientific studies on the habitat-the kind of proof that stands up in a court of law..It appears to me…that we are going to have a difficult time getting our elected officials to agree on anything to get a bill passed…we can’t seem to get ROAM out of the comittee to get it voted on in the Senate..We either need legal action or legislative action to get this stopped-injunctions will only buy us a little time..and we are running out of time..they get those horses shipped to N.Dakota…and we will never get them back.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        You need to go to the Cloud web and contact the lawyer who works with them and ask if they can do this. WWP is excellent and would likely do this if they have not already. There have been some things done with organizations in recent months. But you should check. Make it a project, we need all the strength we can muster and information gives us inside info that BLM ignores. Not us. Use it. Information will beat BLM and that is why they hide it. mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        Keep in mind…this Pipeline runs from Wyo, Utah Nevada, Ore, and california…Imagine the total loss of habitat if they reseed this whole thing with useless vegetation.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        The reseeding may be the one thing we can address and change. We need to work with other agencies and maybe WWP to get a total look at the expanse and the places the corridor will affect. We have only known about Ruby for a matter of months and they are expecting an early start on this and have gotten away with no action on any EIS or AIS and claim they can make adjustments as they go. That will never happen. The cost is outrageous and the jobs created are predominantly not permanent so this is not even the best use of the money and does not even serve enough people to warrant it. But it is owned by El Paso Corp and GE. I wish it could be scrapped. mar

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      Sandra:

      What do you know about:

      1. Western Shoshone Defense Project

      2. Great Basin Resource Watch.

      3. Bill introduced to fix 1872 mining laws.

      I have been told many answers to the Mustang and Burro management to extinction are within these 3 areas of interest.

      Is the Western Watershed Project affliated with any of the above?

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Not affiliated, but would know what they are up to… mar

      • sandra longley Says:

        Researched WDSP-a shoshone tribe who has been fighting the blm and doi for quite some time in the elko area..at one time the tribe lived on most of the great basin area…paid 26 million for their lands by government-but they refused to take the money..case went to the supreme court…they lost…recent fight is witn the Barrick gold mine ..canadian mining co(and BLM). trying to expand their operations to most of Mt tenbo in the Elko,cresent valley area-finally won an injuction to stop expansion of the mine(BLM did not satisfactorily conduct their NEPA investigations..)it appears that it would cause the loss of…get this..50 springs and seeps in the area and the loss of 1 perinnial stream..mercury biproducts and particular matter also an issue. The Great Basin resource Watch is affiliated, but a 501 non profit-and are one of the plaintiffs..they are a coaalition of environmental, native american, and scientific communities-whos goal is to protect the health and well being of the land, air water, wildlife and human communities of the great basin from the adverse effects of resource extraction..so it sounds like they are fighting the mining…here again I am running across another drain on the water supply in this valley…first the ruby pipeline, then the cortez-barrick mine…and there was one other project slated for that area which was mentioned in the judges finding..that i didn’t write down but will go back and find…..The BLM has changed its tactic to saying, well forage is fine on the calico complex..its the water that there will be a shortage of…WELL-YEAH…this new mine was supposed to be up and running by now..they even built the infrastructure and hired 600 workers that are having to be laid off because of this injunction-imagine if this had gone ahead?? This is like dumpster diving..never ending garbage..Now BLM is going to be tied up getting a NEPA report done-not the 1/2 of a donkey job they did to begin with…I take it back..I was going to let them be in charge of the rocks on public land….now..not so much..

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        I tried to send websites but no dice.
        The Western Shoshone Defense project is trying to save a mountain, Mt. Tenabo, in North Western Nevada from mining companies Cortez and Barrick Gold.
        The BLM approved the mine. According to the web site, the BLM has NEVER denied a big mining project in Nevada. As of December, 2009, the Shoshone were still fighting this, but mining goes on.
        Great Basin Resource Watch is an environmental watchdog group, fighting pretty much the same enemy we are. And just about as successful.
        The 1872 Mining Law is a land grab opportunity for miners, big and small, to lay a claim pretty much anywhere they want, inlcuding Public and privately owned lands. There are measures in play to try and modify or rescind the law, but there is a lot of opposition.
        Well, now I feel well informed. And totally sick to my stomach.

      • sandra longley Says:

        another interesting fact..This is said to be the largest gold vein ..in the world..They desperately want to get into Mt.Tenbo, and believe me with that kind of money involved..they will..their current operations are adjacent to the mountain..and the gold mine supplys most of the valley with good high paying jobs. So they have the support of the community..This is going to be an uphill battle…gold mining requires alot of water to process the gold…once the water source is dried up..its gone forever..and we well never get the wild horses back there-or any other animals for that matter..This is a ten year project to get the gold out of the mountain.This is a 900 acre project..but will negatively impact 6,800 acres. We have to start looking at these projects as a serious long term threat to the wild horses..When you get into the details of the ruby pipeline..you see the long term impact on the future of wild horses..They are looking to reseed the miles of habitat they tear up —with plants that-“I quote” “the wild horses will not graze” so that land becomes dead to the horses..and the horses will stay away..now that is permenant loss of habitat…Whereas they could reseed with actual forage fence it off for the 3 years it will take to establish itself. And have good grazing in that area forever.
        My fear, is that we are so caught up in stopping the removal of the horses that we aren’t paying close enough attention to stopping the “permenant” destruction these projects are planning..There will be no home to bring the horses back to.

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Sandra L:

        I have been and continue to vocalize to anyone who will listen about the hidden agenda of Mustang and Burro removal. I was on KOWS radio in California one night expressing the exact same facts as you are right now. All this was the focus of conversation when I meet with Senator Feingold and his staff in Washington DC last September. I talk to other groups and that is how I was led to The Shoshone Defense Project.

      • sandra longley Says:

        Woops, this needed to be posted here..sorry

        Keep in mind…this Pipeline runs from Wyo, Utah Nevada, Ore, and california…Imagine the total loss of habitat if they reseed this whole thing with useless vegetation Woops, this needed to be posted here..sorry

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        To 4:17 post

        It is difficult to address a corridor running through the wild horse or burro land when the decision making process has been by-passed, the horse and burro office not allowed any say or wanting one, and the public learning about it after all the decisions have been pushed through and a last minute comment period allowed only because people asked for it. The projects are not given over to debate because they are Public Land? That is what they are dealing us. mar

  17. sandra longley Says:

    What i do know is that WWP has a 55,000 acre mangement site-where they are providing habitat for a variety of wildlife including 16 wild horses that share with wolves deer antelope grouse ect, and are showing how all can live together..co-habitate share and be mutually benificial. We need science to prove our case…and if we think that science will not back up our claims…we are probably in serious trouble.Do we have any ongoing science projects on wild horse habitat to take to court to dispute claims made by the BLM? I am headed off to research your 3 references

    • thecloudfoundation Says:

      Hi Sandra; We are very interested in your post regarding the predator-prey relationships on the property you describe. You can email me directly at info@thecloudfoundation.org. Check out the current issue of Smithsonian for a quote from Tom Gorey—Chief spokesperson for the BLM in DC. Regarding wild horse management he says that nature is cruel and letting nature take its course is not going to sit well with the public and doesn’t with BLM. Yikes! Glad they don’t manage our National Parks but terribly sorry they manage wild horses on our public lands! And control more land than any other govt. agency. Cheers, Ginger Kathrens Volunteer Executive Director The Cloud Foundation, Inc.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Yes, we need science and getting into the field to do simple research this Spring will give us facts and figures that will be solid. This has been my intent. If we get the facts and do the work we can know more than BLM. This is most important. mar

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      There is nothing ‘natural’ about what’s happening to the Wild Ones right now; hell, they can’t even lead a complete and unencumbered life without the BLM muckin’ up the works.
      I’m sure there are Advocates out there who would wish the Wild Ones a fairly tale existence. I would. But I would much rather they be allowed to live and die, love and grieve, fight and survive on their own terms.
      Nature is cruel? The old broad’s got nothin’ on the BLM.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      I cannot find this, only smaller place.. I know their site but this is where??? What is the name of this. Please inform us here…mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Mar, I’m not finding it either. The only reference to a 55,000 acre site that I can find (quickly) exists in the lengthy article I’m now linking; but unless I’m missing something, or there’s something more current, it says that WWP was purposely excluded from the decision making process. This is lengthy, but detailed.
        http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/unlikely-allies/Content?oid=1013869

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Thanks, Karen, I just looked at it quick.. will go back and read. If it is someone’s other than WWP we may still get info from them.

        This is only my opinion, but some of the new people maybe should go back and see how much research is actually here, including the Taylor Grazing Act by JF. New people will want the same info but much is here already. We are trying to create projects and work with it. If you want something done, consider asking for help or starting a project. We could
        even start a list and become more organized if someone wants to take that on… ?? JF found links to research about grazing also.

        Does anyone know if Shelley had any luck helping Craig and Elyse get a 4×4 for them to drive in the back country?? If she had not said ‘not to worry’ we would have been closer to raising the $2000. that would get them a used one… The possible new one could then be added since there are 2 people in need of 4x4s! So lets maybe start sending money to Craig and getting him a vehicle. So if we had 40 people give $50. each that would do it. There was an address for Craig but he also said to send to the Taper Fund…. I do not always have a signal out here in the San Juan Mountains, so I do hope some of the regular people will take up some of these little tasks… Please??? Can someone find a way for people to send money to the Tapir Fund?? Unless Craig is reading…

        We need to try to work together some. There is a great deal to do. It is not that anyone is wrong or off base, it is just that we need to realize that people have already done a great deal and are ready for more and have not been twiddling their thumbs. But also this is just a blog and maybe some people are not going to get further involved. But those who want to be should speak up… there are things we need to do. I have a full load and it is all about to start and I am hoping that others here will start to coordinate some useful projects. There are many smart and well spoken ladies here.. I hope you will make an attempt to do more. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, sandra, please post your source information on the 55,000 acre management site. It could provide a wealth of possibilities. Thanks.

  18. Jennifer Gage Says:

    Here’s a bit of interesting information regarding the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934. Notice that the interests of cattlemen and ranchers goes way back and these guys are on the very committees that are supposed to regulate them.

    During the administration of President Herbert Hoover, it became clear that federal regulation of public land use was needed. Since vast portions were used for livestock grazing, the importance of range management loomed large.

    John Francis Deeds, Chief of the Agricultural Division of the Geological Survey and Deputy Director of the Department’s Grazing Division, advocacy was influential in bringing about the benefits of the Taylor Grazing Act.

    Congressman Don B. Colton of Utah introduced a bill to create grazing districts, but the bill failed to pass the US Senate. In 1933, Representative Taylor re-introduced the Colton bill as the Taylor bill. This bill set up the grazing bureau or service in the Department of Interior to administer the range lands.[2] The Grazing Service was merged with the General Land Office in 1946 to form the Bureau of Land Management

    Case studies by Phillip O. Foss on the role of local grazing advisory committees established by the Taylor Grazing Act in regulating the grazing of livestock on federal public lands found that such committees were often dominated by the same ranchers and cattlemen whose activities were supposed to be regulated,[3][4][5] raising questions as to whether grazing regulation had been “captured” by the regulated interests.

    The act was named for Edward T. Taylor, a congressman from Colorado.

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      Seems the fellas can’t forget their roots.

    • sandra longley Says:

      Here is another outrageous fact i discovered on a google search, a real estate co. is selling their allotments…that they paid the BLM-1.35 per cow/calf— for 80.00 per cow/calf (in Nevada) Now doesn’t that just take the cheese cake??? They are “flipping” the allotments-buy low-sell high…and we taxpayers are still …subsidising their business…add to that..it increases the value of a ranch when they go to sell it-by millions-if they have a substancial allotment to go with their deeded acres..I am going to make some inquirys as to how real estate figures the dollar value on those allotments…Now I am sure it doesn’t break any laws…except the law of common sense…and the law that I don’t want to subsidise them as a taxpayer..using taxpayer money to finance business ventures-should be against the law..

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Yes, and if a rancher is buying or refinancing, his/her grazing allotments figure into the loan. I think this Is outrageous and helps perpetuate the poor management and overgrazing that have been locked in since the Taylor Grazing Act and the BLM’s origins. It is ‘lifestyle support’ in an age when ranching has not been profitable as it once was.

        The riparian damage I see every year and the places that become simply inhospitable to other uses in a so called ‘multiple use’ system is like handing over the deed anyway. The unfairness to all along the rivers and streams is added to the unfairness to taxpayers. I do not see why so many have put up with this for so long. And I mean locals who live near by. There have always been people fighting the damage and the DOI/BLM. But reforms have failed and there have been some earnest tries. WWP is helping change this. mar

        I recommend WWP’s Katie Fite’s article on Calico grazing and the wild horses’ lands there. It was linked here but it is back in late Jan. or early Feb. mar

  19. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    ISN’T THERE A UNIVERSITY STUDENT HELPING SENATOR LANDREIU? SEEMS THAT I REMEMBER THAT SHE WAS TO GET SOME HELP IN RESEARCHING EVERYTHING ABOUT WILD HORSES AND BURROS.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yes, without looking back to find the exact circumstance, Mary Landrieu was to have at least one Georgetown law student/intern to assist with all research related to wild horse issues beginning last October or so.

  20. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    KAREN, THANK YOU. I’M GLAD YOU REMEMBERED. WE HAVE SOME “LEGAL EAGLES” HERE THAT NEED TO LINK UP-PLUS-THE CLOUD FOUNDATION HAS A LAWYER. THE THING IN OUR FAVOR IS THAT WE ARE AT THIS 24/7.

  21. jan Says:

    first i get email from the national wildlife – they are having a national save polar bear day – so i emailed them to have a national mustang day – dont know how you go about setting aside a day to do a remembrance – but maybe people would care – also go to yahoo groups and search for horse groups and google wild horse groups – there are a lot of groups there – with hundreds of members – just to need to get them to band together somehow to become ONE VOICE FOR THE MUSTANGS – also you can start your own group in yahoo

  22. jan Says:

    I HAVE TIME TO DO RESERACH BUT THEN WOULD NEED A PLACE TO POST IT – IS IT POSSIBLE UNDER CLOUD WE COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF FILE TO POST INFORMATION FOR READERS – JUST A THOT – I BELONG TO SEVERAL FREECYLCE GROUPS AND THE MODERATOR HAS SET UP A DATA FILE WHERE SHE POSTS PERSONAL INFO ABOUT MEMBERS

  23. jan Says:

    I AM GOING TO DO RESERACH ON AREAS WHERE BLM IS PLANNING ROUNDUPS – THERE MUST BE SOME REASON WHY THESE AREAS WERE PICKED – ANYWAY I UNDERSTAND FROM A FRIEND WHO DOES STUFF – THAT IF THEY LOOK FOR URANIMUM IN THOSE STATES LIKE UTAH, MONTANA AND I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER ONE – SHE SAID THEY DO STRIP MINING WHICH COMPLETELY DESTROYS EVERYTHING – THIS COUNTRY HAS DONE STRIP MINING FOR COAL AND OTHER ORES AND IT DESTROYS EVERYTHING – NOTHING GROWS BACK

  24. jan Says:

    after reading blog about the shonshe – srry about spelling – project and how the native people are fighting it – maybe we can get all of the native americans involved in fight for horse – they have been under the dept of interior – via bureau of indian affairs that did nothing for the native people but take them off their lands and put them in areas where nothing grows – just like the blm is doing with the horses

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Jan, This is a sad thing to say but one reason why our Native people do not say as much as they might is because the BIA (Bureau of Indian Affairs) being a part of the DOI uses its leverage to keep them quiet. BIA can threaten the tribes and has historically done so. They even threaten to dissolve BIA so that they will have no representation in our Gov. at all.

      Individuals may be with us but we cannot expect these people to risk anything. mar

  25. jan Says:

    i think if someone could approach george knapp – he might work with cloud group to help reserach and also provide what he has found – at least in the nevada area

  26. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JAN, ANY RESEARCH THAT YOU DO CAN BE FORWARDED TO GEORGE OR TO SENATOR LANDRIEU. SHE IS THE ONE WORKING ON THE ROAM ACT.

  27. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    JAN, THERE IS A COMMENT–A FEW MONTHS AGO–ON JUST THAT–THE URANIUM. SOMEBODY WHO WAS “IN THE KNOW” POSTED IT. A LOT OF MERGERS AND BACK MERGERS, LEADING BACK TO THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES. GO BACK A FEW MONTHS AND CHECK.

  28. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    KAREN, BOY ARE YOU FAST. YOU NEED TO BE ON THE OFFICIAL RESEARCH TEAM.

  29. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HERE IS THE ONE THAT I SAW–FINALLY FOUND IT:
    1. HEY GUYS, HERE IS WHY THE SUDDEN ROUNDUP OF THESE HORSES.
    GET YOUR FINGERS TO GOING TYPING TO WASHINGTON.
    Uranium, is it holding our wild horses hostage and who is behind the plan?
    Nor would we cast aspersions on a company that holds the rights to explore for uranium throughout the Pryor Mountains because it’s parent company is owned and operated through a convoluted trail that points to a middle eastern firm with dubious connections where the company officers/advisors are already in trouble with world-wide trade commissions for stock scams and multiple other violations of law.
    Gosh, the thought never entered our minds.
    But we do raise our eyebrows at the fact that when this uranium mining company begins to make sounds that it may want to conduct aerial seismographic surveys over the Pryor Mountains the BLM suddenly deems it necessary to round up all of the wild horses in the area for an alleged much needed gather, something that they have not done in over a decade (the American public is banned from their public land during the round-up, something to hide?). And why, because of over grazing and the horses, allegedly, are suffering for it. All of this in light of the fact that it has been graphically documented that the horses are in good health, the area is not over grazed and the BLM’s own studies are riddled with multiple errors and if challenged in a court of law could be found to be illegal.
    Yes, we do have a problem with this, and so should you.
    So let’s step behind the bar, mix-up this entire concoction up and see what we come up with. Yum yum, we bet it tastes pretty special to some people but to others it will have a distinctive odor about it.
    The BLM mixes a deadly concoction for our native, American Wild Horses
    First, let’s mix in one part BLM, the agency that is charged with protecting our wild horses yet indiscriminately decides to conduct deadly stampedes to corral and then sell them off for next to nothing to killer buyers who truck them down to the brutal slaughter houses in Mexico where they can make a ten-fold profit; tasty little morsel, there. (Let’s ignore the fact that they now have over 30,000 wild horses confined and living in pens that they wanted to kill, last year, yet they continue to gather more)
    The next step is to pour in equal amounts of a company called Skyline Uranium Corp. formerly known as Uranium Mining & Exploration Projects that is owned by a parent company referred to as Fortress Financial Group, Inc. which engages in issuing prepaid debit and credit cards and was formerly known as the Great West Gold Inc. which itself was recently acquired by Moneyworx, Inc. through a reverse merger transaction while the company officers work on the staff of one of the biggest law firm/companies in all of the United Arab Emirates. Phew, did you catch all that?
    Now pour in a generous amount of the U.S. Federally owned Pryor Mountains, formerly rich in uranium and gold , and shake vigorously.
    Don’t forget to crush in some tree hugging do-gooders, strain out a few wild horses and garnish it with just a slice of bribery and then pour this concoction over a heaping pile of ice cold elected officials, wow…what a drink; a true recipe for collusion and corruption. One that is already in the glass and being toasted by the covert, limited parties involved. Mighty tasty, eh?
    Now we are not postulating, here, that imbibing of this beverage is either right or wrong; but we do think that because you, the American public, is paying for the bar tab you should at least be aware of what you are paying for, it’s only fair.
    If this tastes good to you, then pull up a stool, take a sip and lose your soul.
    If it smells like horse poop to you, and it should, pick up the phone, hammer on the key board and let your opinion be known.

  30. Karen L. Says:

    Mar, Apparently much of the litigation done successfully by the WWP has been through “vigorous” application of the Endangered Species Act, along with the Clean Water Act and the (good old) Federal Land Policy Management Act. We would not have the advantage of horses being an endangered species to help us there. The three Acts used together have been able to challenge public lands grazing practices when needed.

    Also; the elk, deer, wolves, BH sheep, and 16 wild horses are shown to be part of the Greenfire Preserve in Central Idaho.

    This info is on the WWP site, under “about us”, in the paragraphs on Restoration and Litigation.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Because of the original 1971 FRWH&B Act and the declining and even eliminated numbers from individual states the horses are themselves endangered now. The burros are in even worse shape. This year as the BLM has juggled the numbers again for a rewritten roundup schedule, we must not allow them to get any further than they have gone. We shall see just how illegal, neglectful and abusive the public And the courts see BLM. There is a reckoning coming and we bring it to the feet of the BLM and Obama administration. No mercy.

      I have seen the Greenfire Preserve but it is about 5,000 acres?? Or less. Not 55,000. I wondered if that was where she meant.. Thanks for clearing that up, I do appreciate it. There are aspects to this situation with BLM and the handling of the wild ones that are so unique that they will warrant a hard look from the courts each time BLM is challenged. No one can say what will work and all the efforts we put out there make a difference. In 6 months we have come closer than BLM feels comfortable with. They had the upper hand and they lost it. In 6 months. That is what you have all done, wild horse warriors… mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, Mar, the Greenfire Preserve is shown on the site to be 462 acres only. There is one sentence about adjacent land totalling ~50,000 acres in closed public lands grazing allotments though. It looks like it might be part of a restoration project. I totally agree that the BLM and their handling of the equines present unique challenges, further complicated by the fact that it is all administered under WH&B Act. Some rules that apply to other animals cannot and do not apply to the horses and vice versa.

  31. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    LOOK BACK ON THE CLOUD FOUNDATION BLOG–IN SEPT–THAT IS WHERE IT IS. START AT THE BEGINNING.

  32. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO SEE.

  33. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    STEPPING BACK FROM THINGS A BIT–IT SEEMS THAT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE–IT IS STILL A MATTER OF THE PEOPLE. THE COURTS CAN HOLD THEM UP, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THE INFO COMING–AND IT IS. THAT IS WHAT FINALLY GOT THE JOB DONE THE FIRST TIME AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOING. EVERYTHING THAT EACH OF OF DOES MATTERS. LOOK HOW FAR WE HAVE COME IN SUCH A SHORT TIME. I SEE SO MANY TALENTS HERE AND MORE KEEP COMING. WE ARE RIGHT IN WHAT WE ARE DOING. THAT, IN ITSELF, IS POWER.

  34. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I LOOKED BACK AGAIN AND FOUND MORE FROM THE PERSON WHO POSTED IT. I PUT IT FORWARD, ON THE MOST RECENT POST, SO THAT YOU WON’T MISS IT.

  35. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I THINK THE URANIUM NEEDS TO BE KEPT IN MIND AS WE GO ALONG. IT IS ONE PART OF THE PUZZLE. IT ALL TIES IN.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      The First Nuclear Power Plant to be built in the USA in Decades is being approved or in the process, at Green River, Utah, near many old uranium mining areas. the water is a problem. the Green river goes into the Colorado River and provides drinking water downstream for much of Arizona; Phoenix area.

      This is the turn around that Obama has made.

      GE who owns half of the Ruby Pipeline and has built 24 Nuclear plants throughout the world in recent years. It is the largest company in the world and our government created an office just for the investigation of fraud by GE alone! This is who we are also fighting. i made previous posts about this. mar

  36. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    MAR, SOMEONE SAID TO HOLD UP ON DONATING FOR A BIT–THEY WERE TRYING TO GET A NEW 4X4 DONATED–REMEMBER? I THINK WE WERE ALL WAITING TO HEAR. WE NEED TO FIND THAT OUT FIRST AND THEN WE CAN COORDINATE. MEANWHILE, IDA IS NEEDING SOME HELP, ALSO. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO, WHAT AND WHERE.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Louie, The problem is there are 2 people, Elyse and Craig.. In the time it may take to get a new truck donated by Ford, if ever, we should be getting a used vehicle for them to use. If the new one shows up then they BOTH have a vehicle and can cover more ground.

      We never should have put it off… they need WHEELS now… they are borrowing four wheel drives all the tim and needing rides with other people.

      Let’s get back on track and get the used vehicle. It is NEEDED!!! mar

  37. Karen L. Says:

    FYI—The Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources will hear the DOI budget on March 3, next Wednesday. If you haven’t already commented to them on limiting the funds to the BLM to inhibit their continuing roundups and warehousing, then now is the time.
    http://energy.senate.gov/public/#

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      The very same committee has the R.O.A.M. Act on their desk since last year. The very same committe that has Mary Landrieu on it. Something wrong with this picture.

  38. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    MAR, O.K.–LET’S GIVE OURSELVES A GOAL–THIS WEEK–LET’S ALL SEND WHAT WE CAN. I WILL LOOK BACK AND TRY TO FIND THE ADDRESS AGAIN AND REPOST.
    ALSO, IDA COULD USE SOME HELP–THEY ARE FIGHTING AN IMPORTANT FRONT ALSO.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Louie, I have Craig’s address in the house… but he had said to send to the Tapir Fund. Maybe it will not matter. Yes, IDA is in need of help on $25,000. in costs..

      Let’s help Craig and Elyse get on the road in a Four Wheel Drive.

      We need at least $2000. and Craig has confirmed he can find something in this range and get it checked out by a reliable mechanic.

      All contributions are needed, small and large to raise $2000. ASAP for 4×4 vehicle. mar

  39. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    KAREN WILL PROBABLY FIND IT FIRST.

    • Karen L. Says:

      I looked back and found that Shelley Sawhook was going to see about the new Ford vehicle.

      The address for Craig Downer was P.O. Box 456, Minden, NV 89423

      He said that if we donated to the Tapir Fund it was tax deductible, but otherwise just make a check to him.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Thanks Karen, I have emailed Craig and asked him to send the Tapir Fund address for those who want to make a tax free donation. I apologized for the delay and asked if he had heard from Shelley…. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        I don’t think Craig realizes we are not in touch with Shelley. If you are reading the blog Shelley, or if you are someone who can reach her, ask how she is doing… We are going ahead with this… since we have heard nothing. mar

        Hi Marilyn: This is indeed surprisingly good news. I have been here in the Bay area since Tuesday due to the flu. I am planning on travelling back to Nevada tomorrow Sunday. Perhaps someone as tried to reach me at my home. the vehicle could be given to the Andean Tapir Fund, a 501 c 3 based in Nevada and be tax deductible contribution, or else directly to me, Craig C. Downer. My address is P.O. Box 456, Minden, NV 89423. Really appreciate this generous offer of support. Elyse and I need a 4WD to continue to monitor the wild horse and burro herds that still remain wild and also to monitor the roundups and the holding facilities. Hoping to hear from you soon. Best wishes to you and Shelly Sawhook and special thanks for all her efforts to get this vehicle. Craig

        — On Sat, 2/27/10, MARILYN WARGO wrote:

        From: MARILYN WARGO
        Subject: Fw: [New comment] Washington DC Protest- March 25th
        To: “Craig C. Downer”
        Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 1:49 PM

        Craig, Have you heard anything from Shelley Sawhook about getting you a new donated Ford 4×4?? We are so sorry if this has not happened and we are setting up the fund raising for a used 4×4 now. We have your Minden address and if some people wish to send to the Tapir Fund can you direct them to it here; below… ? If a new vehicle appears then you have an extra for Elyse, Laura or any helpers to use… Again I am sorry if we have delayed unnecessarily since we know you need this… Take care, mar

  40. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I FOUND MY COPY–THE TAPIR FUND IS THE SAME ADDRESS.

  41. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    MY FILE IS GETTING LARGE. I’M TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO ORGANIZE IT–I USE SOMETHING EVERY DAY, ALMOST. HOW DOES ANYONE ELSE DO IT–BY DATE, BY CATAGORY, BY?

  42. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I THINK I NEED ONE FOR COMMENTS–THAT IS WHERE MUCH GOOD INFORMATION COMES IN.

  43. stephanie Says:

    Well we need to have a horse or two standing out front when they have the meeting march 4 where BLM will ask for $12 million increase for roundups as well as $45 million for the setup of their holding pen in the East. I think that money goes to Ted Turner and he houses the horses while being paid daily with taxpayer money.

    Please see this link: http://www.wildhorsepreservation.com/resources/march5_comments.html

    about why MARCH 4 is so important. Any little protest on Mar 4 will let those on the committee know that we will be back in bigger numbers if they take the next step toward funding this fiasco.

    I have a mini and a huge German WB that could stand nicely downtown – anyone know where I can legally stand with them and not be arrested?

    Anyone want to join me?

  44. Victoria Says:

    Hi, can someone please give me more info on the Washington DC Protest- March 25th, time & place?

  45. stephanie Says:

    go to http://www.thecloudfoundation.org

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