KLAS Report on Calico Mustangs

February 12, 2010: Chief Investigative Reporter George Knapp and Photojournalist Matt Adams report on the 4% and rising death toll in the Calico roundup. A two-part report.

Part 1: http://bit.ly/9f1DYb        ~      Part 2: http://bit.ly/bxNNTH

plus: click here if you haven’t yet seen “Stampede to Oblivion” a KLAS/George Knapp one-hour special

Kurt Golgart/BLM photo

Kurt Golgart/BLM photo

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157 Responses to “KLAS Report on Calico Mustangs”

  1. sandra longley Says:

    Another terrific story byGeorge Knapp! Please go to and read and leave a comment, as this is how the media rates interest in a topic, and decides what topics their readers are interested in and following…we NEED media coverage

  2. Barbara Warner Says:

    Thank you , George. You are a hero for our wild horses.

  3. jan eaker Says:

    Thank you George, for bringing this and all wild horse issues to national view, I greatly appreciate you and your work

  4. Nora Morbeck Says:

    This quote from the report is so telling:

    “We are the Bureau of Land Management — not the Bureau of Wildlife, not the Bureau of Horses, not the Bureau of Cows. It’s the land,” said BLM District Manager Gene Seidlitz.

    The WH&B program needs to be removed from the BLM. They obviously aren’t capable of managing animals — only land.

    • jan eaker Says:

      Nora, that quote is a talking point that needs to be made to ALL government officials, all the people we elect and pay salaries for, there is NOTHING in this statement about being entrusted with the care of the horses. So, I agree, the BLM should no longer be the agency to have control and sayso over our wild horse herds.
      Another good point, no where are the cattle who run on OUR public lands run in terror w/helicopters;
      it is past time for the care of the horses to be taken away from BLM.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Not only are they incapable of managing animals—they clearly do not want to manage them! I have been including this sort of comment in all my correspondence to Congress, the committees working on ROAM, the petitions, and to the DOI/BLM itself for weeks now. The Calico travesty has made it necessary to try to remove the BLM from the stewardship of any living creatures from this point forward. (Again, think Mary Landrieu; she suggested it months ago.)

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        Karen- do you have an idea which agency might be better suited?
        God forbid it be the Dept. of Ag or Wildlife, but (dare I say) an entire Bureau devoted only to the actual Management of Wild Horses and Burros?
        Maybe their budget could be utilized toward the actual MANAGEMENT of Wild Equines & the Management Areas proscribed in the original act.
        An entire Bureau specializing in Herd Data, appropriate birth control, selective culling, tracking, oh, yeah and care of the Captives. Maybe they could devote more than $200,000 in a five year period to the Adoption Program.
        And since their paychecks would be contingent on practical choices and solutions, the agents of this mythical Bureau might actually have knowledge and appreciation for the Equines under their jurisdiction. And the Equines would have representation in the government through the Bureau’s head.
        (My kids tell me I have Peter Pan syndrome; they might be right…)

      • Karen L. Says:

        Lisa, I think Sen. Landrieu has suggested the Park Service. I will check, but I want something devoted to the horses and burros in their own right. Even a “bureau” to manage LIVING resources on the land would be better than LAND management. Your idea is spot on!

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, Lisa, she apparently favors the National Park Service. At least she’s concerned enough to have given it some thought. Here are some quotes from an aide who declined to be identified.
        http://www.examiner.com/x-13399-Horse-News-Examiner~y2009m9d15-Cloud-Capture-Draws-Capitol-Attention

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Some months ago we began a dialogue here about the National Monument/National Park status. This was because a Park is not to be touched and even water tapped outside a park will not be allowed if it may affect the water in the park.

        To become a National Park, you first become a National Monument. It is a stepping stone. Yes, the Park Service would be good and yet parks for the horses would be unique and maybe retain 1971 Act remodeled law.

        The Wild Horses and Burro still need to be presented as National Treasures. I do wish someone would pick that project up and start it. We
        need it for the wild ones ASAP. A rep has to introduce it, and there is a long process. Some one needs to do it. I am not able. Many of you are capable. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Mar, I thought someone from another site did introduce a resoluton weeks ago. They sent it to their Rep.?

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        There was a nice set up by Christine Jubic at Wild Horse and Burro Warriors. I do not know if she sent it on. We need to support these things when they appear. We need to be on as many projects out there as we can deal with. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        I am not defending or all for any one thing.

        The Park System, if we had a Horse Park, would not be harming horses. It would be studying them. Like the Wolf Project. I think that the lands the horses have can be set up for minimum impact and people visiting and some studying. We could have a great deal of protection and still have the wild ones roaming within the confines of their lands. There could be small visitor’s centers and camp areas. The horses and burros would have water and wildlife would be welcome. Not cattle, not hunting. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Mar, I’m not advocating any one thing either except a separate agency to manage the equines, if possible. It is just that Mary Landrieu is fairly powerful in the Senate and is poised to take action more than anyone else. I provided a link to show that she had given some thought to the National Park Service. She, more than other legislators, cares and keeps the horses a priority. Write to her, I do.

    • true15 Says:

      Then why isn’t there a department to take wildlife into consideration?
      Was the wild horse slated to suffer and disappear without notice?

    • Suzanne Moore Says:

      Yeah, I caught that too. I thought, “Great. So why don’t you check on the condition of the LAND instead of plugging questionable numbers of horses into a chart?”

  5. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HOW DO USE THE LINK TO GET TO THE STORY?

  6. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    O.K. I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT.

  7. Barbara Warner Says:

    The Park Service is what had burros killed before the Fund for Animals rescued them from Grand Canyon if my memory serves me right. They also had some reoved in CA . IMO it isn’t the right agency either.

    • Karen L. Says:

      I know. I think Landrieu has the Chincoteague/Assateague model in mind. Not sure.

    • jan eaker Says:

      I think the Park Service is the agency that does the roundups in Theodore Roosevelt National Park, and they don’t give those horses a fair deal either, they send the “excess” horses straight to auction, where they sell very cheaply, and we all know what that means;

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Chincoteague is Forest Service… Like I said they all have blood on their hands. Otherwise it is us… the people. The Horse People. It would be a breathe of fresh air… mar

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        The NPS has the Assateague ponies on the north end of the island. They list the ponies as “a National Treasure”.
        The Chincoteague Virginia ponies are privately owned by the Chincoteague Fire Department and graze by permit from the US Fish and Wildlife on the south end of Assateague.
        NPS ponies have been PZP’d since 1994 and are around 100 head. Chincoteague are 150 adults by permit, foals are sold in July, some kept and turned back to island.

        http://www.nps.gov/asis/naturescience/horses.htm

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        I’ve mentioned this before — The wild horses on Cumberland Island (a NPS park) are NOT managed. They are left alone. The population remains at nearly a steady 150 horses.
        If the NPS can “non-manage” on one relatively small island, I think it can serve as a model for what can be done elsewhere. I’m going to look into this more and let you all know what I find.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Barb, Yes, and they shot 74 at Big Bend a couple years ago and tried to cover it up. The employee that leaked it was told he was safe but still got pushed out.

      There is no aspect of DOI that is not already tainted with the blood of wild animals. If we could do this ourselves would we? We could, and find programs at colleges that would love to study in the wild and we could really put wild ones on the map.

      Maybe Wild Horses and Burros should occupy the first citizen run parks?? mar

  8. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    Hey, folks
    go to openinterior.ideascale.com
    I just posted an idea and I need you folks to yea or nay it, add comments, refine it a little. Please. It plays off what Karen and I were talking about a little while ago; if it fails it’s all Karen’s fault caue she told me to.
    (Love ya, Karen!)

  9. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    LISA, YOURS AND OTHERS SAID EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE WANTED TO SAY, BUT SAID IT BETTER. I SCANNED RATHER QUICKLY, AND WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND REREAD–SO MUCH GOING ON–MY BRAIN IS ON “FAST FORWARD”. THE ONLY THING I DID SEE THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE MICROCHIPPING (THAT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER LETTERS)–THEY ARE STARTING TO SEE SIGNS OF IT CAUSING CANCER IN SOME OF THE ANIMALS. I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH DISCOMFORT THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY CAUSE THEM. IT WOULD BE PRETTY INVASIVE TO IMPLEMENT THAT PROCESS–PROBABLY SURGICAL WOULDN’T IT?

  10. Margaret Says:

    I LOVE YOU GEORGE! YOU ARE THE BESTEST!

    Sorry for shouting. George just really seems like “he gets it” as Dr Richardson would say. His pieces just seem to always hit the nail right smack on the head everytime without missing!

    I wonder how to get ahold of Obama and let him know that we want a Bureau of Wild Horse and Burro Management. And what kind of legistration it would need.

    I know that most of us know the basics but you know Wash. Someone somewhere will muck it up because they have too. They don’t know how to leave it alone.

    On one hand I think its pretty straightforward. We want a BWH&B Management team. Our team would need to go out to Calico (or wherever), get ACTUAL real numbers. And year by year we account for who is born, who lives, who dies (for various reasons) and how can we HONESTLY manage the horses that are out there.

    Obviously our team would have to work with BLM who at this point manages the cattle industry. BLM can’t just keep giving out grazing permits like there doing–without consulting BWH&B.

    So yes, I’m all for this. I may not know how to read spreadsheets but I can certainly count and take pictures.

    I do think a point we have to make is that no one on the payroll of the BLM now, in the past or the future can be in a central management position. Our people have to be FOR THE HORSES. First last and always.

    Now I’m off to read that opendialogue piece that someone wants us to read.

  11. Laura Leigh Says:

    The BLm… regardless of the semantics game Seidlitz wants to play on camera… was tasked by Congress to uphold a law.
    The BLM manages the resources AND the land for the American public.

    Put MY horses back.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Laura, And having made this incredible mess of the lives of wild ones, they need to do just that. I do not think the people involved in this campaign will let one day go by without contacting all those who can make a difference and asking that the horses and burros go free. All back to home ranges. Stop the deadly arrogance of those who are not deserving of the program they have so well gutted. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        This is from RT’s Is this true? the processing begins tomorrow??? mar

        Lori said on Wild Horses Forced into a Stampede of Death
        February 13, 2010 at 5:18 AM
        You said that right!!! I still say Obama has it out for our ponies. If you remember your history the U.S Government’s plan was to kill all the mustangs so we would not have a chance against the white man. The way i see it Obama is Custer reincarnated. But Obama don’t have any red blood to round up now he is after our ponies again.

        Wouldn’t it be nice if tomorrow when they start the processing the mustangs get out of the pens and run free with white blood drippin’ from their feet.

      • true15 Says:

        Marilyn, please explain what the processing entails.
        Thanks.

      • jan eaker Says:

        I have not seen a date on R.t.’s site, I just went back and read through the article again, since Sunday is their only day allowing observers, I’m hoping it won’t start tomorrow, I wish there was someway to stop this,
        true15, part of the processing will involve freeze branding them, maybe vaccinating them, they aren’t releasing any, so no PZP; also castrating the stallions, I have emailed several BLM people from out there several times to see if they sedate these horses when they cut them, have had no response so far, other than the assurance that a licensed vet will be on hand to ensure humane treatment, like being forced into a chute and have people handling them, sticking them w/needles and operating on them in the chute is humane, perhaps and likely w/no anesthetic; what a mess,

      • true15 Says:

        I wish there was a way to find out how many vets are working at the facility and how many horses per vet.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Jan and Kas, They will administering a two year PZP for the mares. I bet fillies get it, too. No one there to control them. I am not sure what the decision about this is but it may be anticipation of having to release these horses after the adoption process. Let us hope that the lawsuit gives them freedom.

        There is a 3 or 4 way shot and I do not want to describe it unless I can find it in my Pryor notes. These are required for horses who will possibly be taken off the range and be trained and put in with domestic horses. Negative ? Coggins tests are run..

        The gelding of nearly all the male horses. I do not know their routine. It is dangerous for older stallions and some individuals may die. This is a big group. I think they are insane to do this. But it seems they will do all the damage they can.

        Let’s still hope these horses will be returned to run over their hills soon. mar

      • jan eaker Says:

        Mar, the shot is probably similar to what I give my horses every year, Eastern and Western encephalomyelitis, tetanus, rhino, influenza, maybe west nile included as well, all require a 2 week booster to be effective; why are they PZP’ing the mares if they aren’t being released?

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Jan, I believe that these horses cannot be sent to long term holding and that they will have to release them. They are doing a two year PZP, is that the under the skin one?? It makes sense. Gelding the stallions is criminal if they are to be released. That is Totally non selective. Will they leave some alone??? They have no right to do any of this without observers, right there and documenting and in their face… mar

      • Christine Says:

        Gelding would be impossible to do in the chute. The position of the stallion’s testes is high and tight between the hind legs, thus would be very difficult not to mention extremely dangerous to get to while the horse is awake and standing. I suspect it goes more like this – exam, age determination (via using a bar to lift their lip to briefly examine the teeth as it was explained to me when I adopted), shots, freeze branding, then an anesthetic shot, after which the horse is released and herded into a small pen alone. After the horse is down, they probably tie up one hind leg, have someone sit on the horse’s head just in case, and the vet will do a quick couple of incisions, pull, cut, release the horse and get out, and the horse is left to recuperate the next couple of days. That’s how gelding is done in the field, with the incision left open so it can drain.

        If they hold to their practices they did back in 2003, they do not geld any colt under one year, and leave the option to the adopters. Also…they don’t geld the stallions they think they can get a lot of money for – like the Pryor horses and the Kigers. The adoption I got my late mustang at in 2003 they’d gelded all the stallions despite his herd being known for having the rare ‘silver dapple’ gene, but when I went back the next year they had Kigers, none of whom were cut, so I asked them why.

      • Jennifer Gage Says:

        Thank you Christine for the explanation. That makes sense. I wondered how they were going to castrate. I sure hope they don’t do it to Tomahawk. With that valentine heart on his side, he would have beautiful babies.

      • sandra longley Says:

        I spent this weekend reading research on the spay vac they are using and there are some real concerns expressed about the long term effects…apparently the mares sytem continues to produce the antibodys to prevent fertilization once stimulated those antibodies continue -and the advice was-mares should not be treated beyond 4 years or could face pemenant sterility-Colorado university studies

  12. Margaret Says:

    I wish they’d hold off on gelding until all those horses future is ascertained. The BLM was told not to do this roundup and yet they did anyway. So now they not only have the blood of the horses they killed on their hands they also did EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what they were advised by the judge.

    They are again going to look so stupid and butt brained when the judge looks at them later this spring and asks them why they went against her advice and had this bloodbath.

    Geez, I mean what could it hurt to wait a few months until they get a court order telling them that gelding them is IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HORSES.

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      I agree that it’s dangerous to geld older stallions. It can be a traumatic experience even with younger horses, but the older ones have to be watched VERY carefully. Sadly, I don’t think they will be.
      I can’t help but think the death toll will rise… and no one will be there to document it.

  13. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    DID YOU ALL HEAR THE SAME THING THAT I HEARD ON HOWLING RIDGE? NOT ONLY ARE THEY NOT ALLOWING THE PUBLIC AT THE HOLDING PENS (ELYSE IS VERY CONCERNED), BUT ONE OF THE HOSTS SAID THAT THEY ARE ALL SLATED TO BE SHIPPED TO MEXICO. SHE SAID THAT IT IS ON THE U.S.D.A. RECORDS. I DON’T THINK SHE WOULD HAVE SAID THAT WITHOUT HAVING CHECKED. YOU WOULD HAVE TO KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HOW TO FIND IT. TIME FOR SOME MORE HOLLERING.

    • jan eaker Says:

      I am listening to Howling Ridge program right now, what they are saying, and it is hard to hear, is that on the USDA export data, which for some reason I can’t access, that it is geldings that are going to slaughter in Mexico, not that THESE Calico horses are going directly there, at least not immediately, Craig and Elyse were listening to her say what she said, and they didn’t pick up on anything dire, just that they are trying to get more access to the Fallon facility, not only during processing, but afterwards as well, we need to keep up the pressure on our elected officials, I have backed off a bit, but will take it up again much more forcefully.
      I’m also going to call out Don Glenn on his videoed assurance that roundups were totally open to the public, I have emailed the BLM people involved in Calico, have had no answer from anyone yet.

  14. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    ANYONE THAT CAN–LISTEN TO THE MOST RECENT HOWLING RIDGE SHOW WITH ELYSE AND CRAIG.

  15. Barbara Warner Says:

    I think what was said on Howling Ridge was that some wild horses may be going to Mexico but those aren’t the ones at Fallon. However they have not proved this yet to my knowledge. Many wild horses end up at auctions after they have been adopted though and if they are totled the owners can sell them. Who checks to se though?

  16. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO HEAR. I LISTENED TO IT AGAIN. I THOUGHT SHE SAID THAT THE GELDINGS COULD BE FOUND ON THE U.S.D.A. EXPORT LIST. SO, THAT IS HOW THEY DO IT. THEY SHUFFLE THE DATA AROUND SO THAT IT IS HARD TO TRACK, UNLESS SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE AND WHAT TO LOOK FOR. WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT THOSE HORSES AT FALLON. SURE DON’T LIKE THE ” PRIVATE RANCH AND NO OBSERVERS ALLOWED AFTER SATURDAY PART”!

  17. equus5 Says:

    I also thought I heard Elyse say that all the wild horses would be sent to Mexico for slaughter. So when the BLM says that they never directly send horses to slaughter (just indirectly to kill buyers) then they are lying! And why are they gelding all the stallions? They didn’t do that with the Pryor wild horses. What if someone wants to preserve their genetic viability so they can be released back into the wild someday. Is this normal for all captured stallions to be gelded? Will they use anesthesia or could they bleed to death? Do all geldings go to slaughter? What about adoptions? Can they geld stallions and move them to Mexico while lawsuits are pending? Can’t the right to view the captured wild horses be fought in court? Is any of this legal?

  18. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS–PRIVATE RANCH WITH 5 YEAR CONTRACT -KEEPING THE PUBLIC AWAY–GELDING ALL OF THE STALLIONS. NOTHING IS RIGHT ABOUT ANY OF IT. HOW CAN ANY OF IT BE LEGAL?

  19. Laura Evans Says:

    There’s a post on facebook today about Willis Lamm asking advocates to back off of the BLM so that Bill Spriggs can

    IMPORTANT REQUEST FOR OUR WILD HORSES!!!!Share
    Yesterday at 2:33pm
    From Willis Lamm of Wild Horse Mentors (http://www.whmentors.org)

    Please cross post where appropriate.

    Please take note of this request.

    Bill Spriggs, the attorney for In Defense of Animals (IDA) in the cases
    against BLM, is entering into some sensitive negotiations with BLM
    involving aspects of the court actions. For reasons that he is not at
    liberty to put out to everyone, he has asked advocates to let up on
    calls and emails to BLM while hopefully a few key elements of this case
    get resolved. He is the attorney, he’s experienced, he’s on our side
    and he knows what he is doing.

    I’m not questioning that Bill Spriggs is on our side, but last I saw of Willis Lamm he was a member of CABMW and he was very strongly against Madeleine Pickens sanctuary up by Calico.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Although I got this and I questioned it, I did not post it but have asked for verification which has not come. I could not find this at either of Willis’ sites… I think it odd. mar

  20. Laura Evans Says:

    Let me rephrase that. I’m not 100% for Madeleine Pickes santuary, I think that’s great for the horses that are already in captivity. My fear is that the BLM will use it as a model to create more santuaries which is apparently what Salazar is planning. Willis Lamm is against it because it will upset the wildlife by putting horses where they previously didn’t exist.

    Also, if Bill Spriggs wants us to back off, wouldn’t it come from him or IDA or even be posted on The Cloud Foundation? And this horse mentors seems to be connected to the BLM. Does anyone else have any information on this?

    • Karen L. Says:

      Thanks, that’s interesting, Laura. I’ll try to check it out further, but if the information is not being released as “news” there may not be much to find. I did e-mail IDA last week about intervening for the Calico horses during the ‘processing’ phase. They replied that they were on it and doing everything possible. It is no secret on this blog that I think William Spriggs is essentially the best thing to happen for the horses and a game adversary for the BLM.

  21. Barbara Warner Says:

    Elyse has asked that polite calls and Emails be sent to ask that humane observers be allowed at Fallon. I don’t know why this can’t still be done as well as ask for a moratorium on roundups.
    I question why Willis has sent this out.

  22. Jennifer Says:

    Just listened to Howling Ridge.
    She did say that the horses are gelded so they fit a category on the USDA list to be allowed to be sent to slaughter in Mexico. That’s probably the reason they are gelding them so fast. You can see the geldings listed on the USDA export stats lists. She talks about a lawsuit which was brought up at one point against USDA with success for something similar. It can be challenged.
    They also said that they used the reason that they are doing this on a private property to limit access to viewing of the horses.
    From listening to this, it’s an orchestrated plan all the way to the finish line.
    Sounds like trucks are probably already leaving the holding place.

  23. Jennifer Says:

    Just listened to Howling Ridge.
    She did say that the horses are gelded so they fit a category on the USDA list to be allowed to be sent to slaughter in Mexico. That’s probably the reason they are gelding them so fast. You can see the geldings listed on the USDA export stats lists. She talks about a lawsuit which was brought up at one point against USDA with success for something similar. It can be challenged.
    They also said that they used the reason that they are doing this on a private property to limit access to viewing of the horses.
    From listening to this, it’s an orchestrated plan all the way to the finish line.
    Sounds like trucks are probably already leaving the holding place.

  24. Nora Morbeck Says:

    I totally agree with Elyse. POLITE contact favoring humane observors being present. I can even be polite about sharing other comments and offering suggestions for making changes.
    I don’t think we should “let up” on our comments, though. I think we’re all capable of being civil when voicing concerns, but I don’t think it’s necessary to stop calling and writing altogether.

  25. Laura Evans Says:

    Digging a little further, another member of this CAMBW which is County Advisory Board to Manage Wildlife seems to be Larry Johnson. Now my big problem is I get flustered and turned around when people use “fi’dollar” words, as my husband calls them (plus I don’t have my glasses on yet today) so I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do or what not to do. I’m just asking if this is some one who is a reliable source of information regarding IDA and the lawsuit?

  26. Laura Evans Says:

    Yesterday at 2:33pm
    From Willis Lamm of Wild Horse Mentors (http://www.whmentors.org)

    Please cross post where appropriate.

    Please take note of this request.

    Bill Spriggs, the attorney for In Defense of Animals (IDA) in the cases
    against BLM, is entering into some sensitive negotiations with BLM
    involving aspects of the court actions. For reasons that he is not at
    liberty to put out to everyone, he has asked advocates to let up on
    calls and emails to BLM while hopefully a few key elements of this case
    get resolved. He is the attorney, he’s experienced, he’s on our side
    and he knows what he is doing.

    Unfortunately some “advocates” seem compelled to undermine this process
    by calling for new actions.

    We can’t get attorneys to successfully press our cause or perhaps even
    agree to represent horse issues if we ignore their advice and run around
    like a bunch of loose cannons.

    Everyone concerned about the horse issue needs to heed the advice of the
    professionals on our side. I’m familiar with Mr. Spriggs and I have no
    doubt that he has valid reasons for making such requests of the
    advocates. Only a fool doesn’t listen to his or her attorney.

    I don’t mean to put out a “hard sell” regarding this matter but now is
    the time we have to show some self discipline. Doing that doesn’t mean
    we’re not keeping our eyes and ears open and encouraging broader public
    support. What it means is that we sometimes have to give the
    professionals the space they need to do their jobs.

    We may have the ball in our possession. Let’s not cause a fumble at
    this point.

    I hope this all made sense.

    Thanks!

    “:O) Willis

    I need to learn how to post links

    • Karen L. Says:

      Thanks, again. Whatever motivated Willis Lamm to distribute this, I don’t know, but I tend to agree with the content. I have felt sure that William Spriggs has the BLM’s attention and was instrumental in the ‘delay’ of the Eagle roundup. They know he has at least one legal opinion to hit them with—hard. Not surprising to hear that ‘we may have the ball in our possession’—confirms my current sense of things on a few of the issues. I would love to give “the professionals (Spriggs) the space they need to do their jobs”, but am not clear on the extent of that request. Does that mean the ideas/comments to the DOI site should stop, also? By the way, Mr. Spriggs is an expert on federal contracts—I didn’t see any animal rights work on his resume.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Karen, we are not ‘lose cannons’ and I do not see this applying to us. I am not sure what the origins of this is but I do not feel it is telling us to stop what we are doing. This is unconfirmed.

        Please remember you are being read. By You know who. OK? So be aware that there are always those who would compromise us. Willis is not secretive to my knowledge. He is very forthright in all he writes. Why wouldn’t this have come through Vicki? She has posted for him before? I have not heard a thing… mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Mar, How am I being a loose cannon? I posted my thoughts/feelings on the contents of another post. I don’t think we need to stop politely commenting on anything. I simply am not surprised by the implications in the content of the distributed “Lamm” post.

  27. Janet Ferguson Says:

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    Did anyone see this???

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8515165.stm

  28. jan eaker Says:

    I still think that Craig Downer would have put this on IDA’s site if that’s what is needed, wild horse mentors has BLM links all over it, I’d like an update from Craig myself, before we back off requesting, always politely, that an independent humane observer, preferably Elyse, be allowed full access to Fallon while the processing is going on,
    What Fb page was this on, I didn’t find it on Cloud’s page,

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yes, I would think polite comments are okay. I am wondering if lots of “insiders” do know, and have refrained from distributing in the interest of waiting for an outcome quietly. My feeling is that something significant is happening. Did I mention that I love William Spriggs????

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        I do not think that this applies to us and we should be waiting to hear where it came from. It is a bit conspiratorial. We are not doing anything weird here. Please do not change what you are doing… mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        Mar, See my 6:08 P.M. post above. I am encouraged, that’s all. I think IDA is on the case, period.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Another thing is the implication that if we do not behave we may blow something. Like what? Negotiations??? I do not believe we figure into anything like that. You cannot control thousands across the nation in this loose association. I do not want to be blamed for something not succeeding that I have no control over. I do not feel we are breathing fire at anyone and we are not being any different that we have over the past months. If anything we have a few strange visits from some rather more extreme individuals but they are not the norm here. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Yep, and I stick by this as we are very well adjusted here!! mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        In summary—keep politely commenting.

      • Jennifer Gage Says:

        Okay Jan. Maryilyn do you too live in Illinois? I asked my friend who is a lawyer and her take was I have nothing to do with the suit and can’t effect negotiations. I’m keeping up pressure. None of us are the “loose cannons” that have been referred to in my opinion.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Jennifer, You are doing what you should be doing. Fighting the good fight. mar

    • Laura Evans Says:

      Like I said, I’m not sure exactly where it came from but I only found the one posting which was a cross posting from a friend and the reason I questioned it was because I had not seen it anywhere else, not even on Cloud the Stallion.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        OK, Confirmation: we all be cool about Calico but do not stop writing and calling. mar

      • jan eaker Says:

        Focus on Moratorium on ALL roundups, and I will be focusing on IL legislators, as Sue Wallis 😦 is said to be visiting here to lobby for reopening the Cavel horse slaughter facility here in IL as she is an “expert”!!??!! on the impact of and benefits of horse slaughter on economies and industries.
        I will ALSO be reminding my legislators and the President that the new budget for BLM is a real slap in the face for all Americans in this economy and is impacting me personally. Education in IL is facing cuts across the board, my district has a 3 million dollar deficit, and jobs are going to be cut. WHere are the President’s priorities and fiscal responsibility in THIS?????

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, jan, it’s imperative to keep the Cavel plant closed! That new federal budget is puzzling anyway, since Obama had only just announced a freeze in domestic agency funding.

      • Jennifer Gage Says:

        Jan-if you hear anything about Slaughter -Sue, please let me know! I live in Illinois and will protest that crazy woman.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Just the idea that Wallis is coming to Illinois is sickening. Do write Angela and tell her you are against Cavel ever reopening. That is the 16th in Springfield, Illinois. This Tuesday.. Slaughter Sue…
        mar

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Hopefully with all this snow and sleet; her flight will be diverted. . . to a

        MUCH
        WARMER
        CLIMATE
        KNOWN
        FOR
        ITS
        FIRE
        AND
        BRIMSTONE

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Janet Fergusun, I have bee trying to reach you but my space mail has not functioned all day… will keep trying… I have some news… mar

      • jan eaker Says:

        Jennifer, write and call our state legislators about this woman coming to talk about Cavel reopening, and how we DON’T want that, I can’t stand the thought of this person coming into our state and talking like she speaks for all horse people in America,
        Angela has posted either here or on R.T.’s blog will try to find it,

      • Roxy Says:

        I thought Obama said the budget freeze is for 2011 – so I guess they are padding as much now as they can?!?!?!

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Jan E. One of Angela’s posts. I talked to her. She needs support from any one who can come or write a letter against the Cavel… mar

        Angela Valianos said on Orphan Foal update in Calico
        January 8, 2010 at 11:00 pm
        CROSS POST EVERYWHERE !!!! PLEASE HELP !!!
        815-260-1722 Angela Valianos Cell
        This is really bad. Illinios is reintroducing legislation to reopen Cavel.
        Rep. Sacia is introducing HB4812 to the House Ag committe to be able to reopen Cavel. They suspect they are bringing in some Rep from WY that fancies herself an expert on this issue.
        We need expert testimony for this meeting.
        The meeting is scheduled for 2/16
        This is where OUR WILD HORSES WILL BE GOING ! I have said this all along ! WILD HORSES = HEALTH CARE !!!
        PLEASE CROSS POST EVERYWHERE !!!!
        See all comments on this post here.

      • Jennifer Gage Says:

        She need to contact Paula Bacon, former mayor of Coffman, TX and the person who helped close the Texas plant. Contact John Holland, Nena Winand, Laura Allen. Rep. Roskam is against it. I have gotten letters from him saying so and he is a co-sponsor. SEE http://wflendangeredstreamlive.org/savingamericashorses.html

      • Karen L. Says:

        Roxy, The budget freeze is for 2011. Landrieu already limited their budget for this year. The hearings are for the DOI funding for 2011—that’s why Obama’s proposed increase after his “freeze” makes no sense. Landrieu’s actions prior to this current hearing in the Senate Energy & Natural Resources Committee for the DOI budget came from her membership on the Senate Appropriations Committee last fall. I can link some items if you would like.

  29. Barbara Warner Says:

    I don’t know where it came from but like I said before Elyse and Craig both would like to be humane observers and Elyse has said to send polite requests for them. I talked with both of them yesterday before they went to Fallon.
    Also if there is any way they need a 4 wheel drive vehicle. They are having to borrow different ones to get around. Does anybody have any suggestions ? Can we take up a collection or what? It would be expensive.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      A 4 wheel drive could be had, operational but not attractive for about $2,000. They should be looking and see if they can get a private deal. If they can get payments we all can help chip in. For a ‘back road truck’ they should be able to find something. Look in classified for the nearest large town… Is that Reno? mar

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        Mar – took a peek at Craig’s List Reno listings for Cars/Trucks. Also Fallon & Fernley. You’re right; there are a few 4WD vehicles that can be had by both individuals and dealerships for $2000 or less.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Wonderful, Thanks, Lisa, Would someone tell Craig and say we all want to help him get this and tell us how to??? Or would you, Barb W, as you talk to him… tell him we are wanting him to look where lisa said…

        We need to raise $2,000. for a 4 wheel drive back road truck. We are getting this together now… mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        We need a mailing address to Craig and or Elyse and their OK to put money together for a 4X4 used truck for $2000.

        Help? mar

  30. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THERE IS A LETTER FROM GEORGE TO WILLIS ON THE AMERICAN HERDS WEBSITE–LEFT COLUMN–GEORGE ANSWERS WILLIS. EVERYONES NEEDS TO READ IT.

  31. Roxy Says:

    Woke up to 2 things this morning of great interest.

    1. R.T. has an inspirational peice, of calm, and love and harmony – a must read.

    2. DOI Ideas – Recognize Contribution of Birders. Why should this be examined?

    They have broken down their hobby into dollars and cents. That is what we need to do in realtion to wild horses – this will serve much to our advantage. How much has Breyer made on wild horse models and how many people were employed to do that. Same for the Tee-shirt sales on coffee shop (is that what it’s called?), all the DVD’s and books that have been produced for or about wild horses, the gifts (the wire horses), stamps – has the US Postal service ever released stamps of wild horses? Income to a community from people visting to see wild horses. What do rescues buy in feed, expenses for equipment, they must have to pay some wages, the value of the land. On and on – a huge undertaking. Please check out “Recognize Contribution of Birders” at http://openinterior.ideascale.com/a/panel.do.

    I wish I knew how to go about this undertaking, I’m sure there are those here in the blogs that may know. Once this is done for a specific period of time it can be dropped and just used, unless someone can continue compiling.

    • Christine Says:

      “Coffee shop”? You mean CafePress? The Cloud Foundation has those numbers, at least for the shops I set up for them. There’s a new one, btw, that’s probably not linked to their website yet, but here’s the URL:

      http://www.cafepress.com/CloudFound03

      Needs to be prettied up a bit, tho…I’m also working on making Cloud Foundation logo stuff from the bits Makendra gave me, but its a bit more work than I expected. Even had to go outside and take photos of clouds to add.

      • Laura Evans Says:

        My daughter and I each got one of the messenger bags with Conquistador on them. We love them.

      • Christine Says:

        I’m glad to hear that! 🙂 And glad to make my small contribution in that way, too.

      • Roxy Says:

        Christine – yes CafePress – thank you.

        And the new T-shirt is great – I like the red, white and blue and I like that at least the ones I checked out are made in the USA – good job. I’ll be ordering something.

      • Christine Says:

        Actually, the image was just something Makendra sent to me, I only made the necessary edits and made the store/put the images on items.

        One of mine is at http://www.cafepress.com/helpwildhorses I just decided the other day the proceeds should go to the IDA, but haven’t gotten to advertising it yet.

    • Kathleen Says:

      Roxy,
      re #2, I did some research trying to figure out if there were already any studies in existence on the economic impact of wild horses in Arizona (as a starting point). I found some extensive studies have been done at the U of A on the horse industry (not including wild horses & burros) so I contacted the professor. His response was a link to two studies in this area he knew of (NV and WY, both old). His suggestion was that to truly find details like the economic impact of tourism, arts, sciences related to wild horses would entail an expensive commissioned major research project to collect that kind of data that apparently does not exist in collected form now. He called this a “study aimed at determining the existences value of the horses.” I will share the large pdfs of the studies with anyone interested who posts a reply here (I’ll be notified of follow ups).

      I was so sure at the time (months ago) that this data existed (I knew about the domestic horse studies) and this conclusion took the wind out of my sails. I still feel strongly that there is already a significant positive economic impact to having wild horses in the wild – it’s just not quantified. Small towns, and large cities nearby, are getting international visitors, art is being made in every medium, science and medicine studies them for insight into the multi billion $ domestiic horse business. Those are all adversely impacted by removing them. And could all be significantly strengthened through proper value, management, marketing.

      We need a professional statistician advocate 🙂 I’m sure many of us would volunteer to do data collection.

      • Roxy Says:

        Kathleen – excellent. Yes, I would volunteer with direction. I wonder how the “bird watchers”: accomplished thier study?

        I’ll post a comment on the DOI page and see if I can get an answer to that question – but it will seem off topic so may not get posted. Otherwise Audobon? Who else?

        The Birders, as they call themselves, included sales of postal stamps with birds on them, and who knows what else.

        But, unless a Universtiy were to take this on and get thier own funding, it would be beyond our reach. How does one make contact with the charitable organizaions that sponser shows on PBS I wonder? It would seem an excellent University research project.

      • sandra longley Says:

        Steven Peterson a prof.at BYU-has done extensive research on the distribution and habitat use patterns in the mustang– he will be speaking at a synposium in australia in June as an invited speaker on the subject of wild horses. I have emailed him asking for his materials and inquiring if he has been consulted by the blm or doi on americas wild mustangs..that was sunday and haven’t heard back from him yet

  32. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    IS WILLIS CHECKING ON THE HORSES AT THE BROKEN ARROW RANCH?

  33. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HOW CAN WE BACK OFF WHEN NO ONE IS ALLOWED AT THE HOLDING PENS? HOW CAN WE BACK OFF UNTIL THOSE HORSES ARE SAFE AND BACK WHERE THEY BELONG?

    • Karen L. Says:

      Louie, Now is an excellent time to write to your federal legislators asking them to get behind ROAM, and expressing any thoughts you have on the current situation. As several of us noted on the other thread, there is a hearing coming up before the “full committee” on the proposed DOI budget in the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources—it was postponed due to bad weather on the 10th of Feb. Also, the subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests can again be asked to bring ROAM to the floor. Mary Landrieu is a member of these committees, and she listens to input on the equines. You can reach the committee(s) here by clicking on contact information in the left column.
      http://energy.senate.gov/public/

  34. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I FEEL THAT ELYSE IS TRULY THERE FOR THE ANIMALS–SHE HAS PROVED IT. SHE IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE HORSES AND I DON’T THINK SHE IS GOING TO BACK OFF. SHE DOES ASK THAT WE ALWAYS REMAIN CALM AND POLITE.

  35. jan eaker Says:

    Louie, I think that letter to Willis from George is an older one, I read it a while back,
    there is nothing on Cloud’s FB page about this, or on IDA or anywhere else, so, I will continue to contact BLM and the WH aetal, politley, seeking access to Fallon, moroatorium and investigation of BLM,

  36. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HAVE THINGS CHANGED SINCE 2007? BRING ME UP TO SPEED. RED ALERT GOES OFF WHEN TOLD TO BACK OFF.

  37. Barbara Warner Says:

    Hi you all, it was Elyse who mentioned a vehicle and asked me if I was on FOB . Craig’s address is ccdowner@yahoo.com andI think he would be very pleased with this offer. How many of us can come up with$100? I can and I can ask on FOB also as well as other groups. First I will check with Craig to be sure.
    I wil get back with you after I ask him.

  38. Lori Says:

    Sorry if i was wrong about the processing date i have seen lots of stuff watching these poor calico horses and read somewhere that the processing was starting this weekend or Monday. I would say as soon as they run the public away from the pens they will start cause they gotta get the horses processed so they can make their money. And the reason i dont think calling the Obama’s is going to do any good is because Obama wants the horses gone so he can mine for uranium so he can make nuclear plants and or weapons. He does not care about this country he wants to profit from this country thats all. He does not care about our wild ponies no more than the white cared about indians. This IS the trail of tears for the horses. Obama is making sure of that and if he gets voted into office second term you can kiss all our little ponies good-bye. Cause they will be the blood money lining his pockets. Why do you think Salazar wants to make little zoo’s for the horses cause he knows Obama wants all the wild horses locked up slaughtered and exported out. Then once he has done that he will start in our domestic horses and little by little take our freedom too. Look at Chicago you can’t even have a gun there all thanks to him. Now the only way we can get him out of office is to demand what he hides the most which is his Birth Certificate because in the constitution you have to be born in America to be a President and Obama was born Kenya. Ironically they are rounding up Zebras in Kenya too. There is a time to be nice and there is a time to not be nice. And there is no such thing as fighting dirty you fight to win to survive and if we don’t fight we will lose not only our horses but everything our freedom is everything just like our horses. Without our freedom we are lost. If we can’t get him out of office then we gotta get it through his head that he is taking our freedom and we want our freedom back we pay him to do a job and he need to get off his butt and do it.

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      This issue started long before our current president was in office. The struggle between business interests and wild herds is generations old.
      I think what helps us most right now is not to make one person a scapegoat for all the ills the horses are experiencing but to keep putting pressure on ALL of our elected and appointed officials. The BLM has admitted that its feeling a lot of public pressure and that the thousands of comments against round ups had a part in the decision to stop the Calico round up.
      The BLM received at least 10,000 comments against the round ups. Imagine what will happen if they receive 20,000 or even 50,000 comments.
      We’re making a difference, friends! Let’s keep up the great work!!

    • sandra longley Says:

      The only orders Obama has given the DOI-is to fast track his energy initiatives..Salazar is implementing that program..trust me the president is not up there considering the wild horses-he is not a westerner-probably didn’t even know there was a wild horse issue…until now..LOL what a way to get aquainted with it .politians respond to money and loud voices-and everyone is screaming at washington these days..It makes it difficult to get heard.

  39. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    ELYSE SAID ON HOWLING RIDGE TO CALL THE WHITE HOUSE COMMENT LINE EVERY DAY–OUR CALLS ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE. BEING THAT IT CAME FROM ELYSE AND THAT I HEARD HER SAY IT, IT MUST BE MAKING A DIFFERENCE. THE WHITE HOUSE COMMENT LINE IS:
    (202) 456-1111

  40. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    EMAILED EQUINE WELFARE ALLIANCE ABOUT THE CAVEL PLANT–GOT EMAIL RIGHT BACK–SAID THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT SINCE JAN. AND ARE SENDING PEOPLE THERE.

  41. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HOW CAN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ILLINIOS RESIDENTS HELP? WHO CAN WE CONTACT?

    • Karen L. Says:

      Maybe comment to Obama himself about the Cavel plant. He was a legislator and resident of Illinois until last year.

  42. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    CAN SOMEONE POST SOME ILLINOIS GOV. OFFICIALS AND ADDRESSES OR GROUPS THAT SHOULD BE CONTACTED?

  43. Michael J Ahles Says:

    If you want to help the mustangs,
    Boycott Beef!
    It will set them free.

    I was out at Pamamino Valley today and found the captured mustangs in a terrible way. They didn’t do anything to deserve this BLM wrongful and inhumane treatment, nothing deserves this. It sickens me, but I’ll go again and bring them some love, some carrots, show them that mankind is not all bad, and tell them that someday they will be free again.

    =
    MJA

    • Christine Says:

      Can you bring a camera and document what you see?

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Yes, Michael. You would be helping us to help them NOW if you could do this. i asked you last year to please take photos when you began to post at RTs. Please get a throwaway camera if you do not have one. Make several dics and send one to the Cloud foundation… please, mar

    • LindaH Says:

      Michael,
      There is a Dept. of Interior hotline, listed on this website. . . http://www.doioig.gov/index.php?menuid=382&viewid=511&viewtype=PAGE where you can contact them, anonymously and report fraud & mismanagement. I think this mismanagement/neglect of these horses is more than justified in your reporting them. Yes, theses horses are taken care of by private contractors, but the BLM is utlimately responsible overseeing their well being. (Look at the tragedy that happened at 3 Strikes Ranch.)

  44. Barbara Warner Says:

    Dear Barbara: That’s great of you and the other supporters. Yes, there are a lot of deals now available on used 4WD, but I would make sure a trusted mechanic I know checks out the vehicle before purchasing. My address is P.O. Box 456, Minden, NV 89423. We could do this through the Andean Tapir Fund, checks made payable to, that way it would be tax deductible for all who donate. If this is not preferrible, then just to me Craig Downer. God bless you. We are working hard and were out to view the horses in Fallon yesteday. Very pitiful and so unnecessary. We are persisting in the noble cause. Blessings, Craig

    — On Sun, 2/14/10, Barbara Warner wrote:

    From: Barbara Warner
    Subject: 4W drive vehicle
    To: “Craig”
    Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 5:15 PM

    Hi Craig, Elyse said you all need a 4 W drive vehicle so some of us can pitch in. One person said you can probably find an older model for $2,000 or so and to look in the want ads and on Craig’s (not yours LOL) list . First I wanted to make sure it’s OK if we take up a collection? Let me know. We will also need your mailing address.
    Barbara

  45. Barbara Warner Says:

    Hi All, you may want to hold off on donations for a bit for Craig’s 4WD . Shelley Sawhook. AHDF president, is going to ask him about getting a vehicle from Ford thr. AHDF’s 5013c http://www.AHDF.org . That way he’d have a new one to last.
    Also we all need to be fighting the budget money for Salazar’s zoos.
    Karen L., can you send links about the budget committee to call to stop the money? Thanks

  46. jan Says:

    was wondering since blm dont let people in to take pictures – if u could do sneaky – i watch monsterquest on history channel and they go out with these really neat little cameras that are powerful – they are digital video cameras and are wireless so u can download to a laptop off site – they are small and flat – on monsterquest they hide them on trees or in fake rocks – the rocks look real – i know u might not have much cover to hide them but might be some brush around corrals where u could hide them

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      I’m all for fibre optic events

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        I watched one of the YouTube videos about the Calico Captives; the ranch they’re being held at is in close proximity to the Fallon Naval Air Station; you can hear the fighter jets taking off and landing in the background noise.
        Also, and semi-off topic – Broken Arrow Ranch/Fallon is owned by a fella named Troy Adams, a cattle rancher from Lincoln, CA who been connected to an animal cloning company called Bovance. The company cloned a horse called N Bar Rose 2424. The parent company, ViaGen, does just that – clones horses. I read the article and got more chuckles on http://www.theppj.info/archives.
        The article is written by Debbie Coffey ppj.gazette@gmail.com.
        Not that I’m trying to stir up MORE trouble, but forewarned is forearmed.
        Why DOES this guy, a novice to the BLM’s Standard Procedures, have custody of the Calico Herd?

  47. jan Says:

    why cant they fund some studies of the wild horses and burros – i got a thing in mail on how govt wastes money on pork barrel projects like – over 100 million has been spent on studying uses for wood – or how to control swine odor – these are real projects your govt is funding – what is wrong with asking for a independent study on the wild horse population

  48. jan Says:

    i have been cross posting to the humane society – since they came out now against the calico roundup so email them about the horse slaughter plant – their email is humanesociety@hsus.org or i think president has a blog too

  49. jan Says:

    as far as horse slaughter plants wasnt it the lady who owned barbaro the racehorse that campaigned to get them closed and was madeline pickens involved in that too

    • Laura Evans Says:

      The Jacksons (Barbaro’s owners) were very involved in campaigning against the slaughterhouses. Back when they did the Pryor round up I tried to contact them but all of the email addresses that were available were old and no longer in service. Edgar Prado, the jockey who rode Barbaro is one of the celebrity advocates, though.

  50. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    CRAIG TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING CALLED RESERVE DESIGN AND CITED HERDS WHERE IT HAS WORKED. ONE IS MONTGOMERY PASS–ANOTHER IS HICCORIO (NOT SURE OF SPELLING), AND THE PRYOR MOUNTAIN HERD UNTIL THEY OPENED SEASON ON THE COUGARS. IT WAS ON THE HOWLING RIDGE SHOW AND CRAIG KNOWS HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT DESIGN. HE SAYS IT TAKES TIME AND PATIENCE TO GET IT UP AND GOING, BUT THE HERDS DO SELF-STABILIZE. I’M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG THAT KNOW MORE ABOUT IT–LET’S START EXPLORING THAT.

  51. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    What does ‘your comment is awaiting moderation’ mean?

  52. equus5 Says:

    I just got this e-mail from SHARK (SHowing Animals Respect and Kindness) asking us to protest a horse slaughter bill being introduced that will have a hearing tomorrow Feb. 16th, at 2:00PM. SHARK is asking people to call, fax and e-mail members of the committee or attend the hearing if you live in Illinos. The alert is below:

    SHARK ALERT!

    Stop Horse Slaughter in Illinois!

    A horrific bill has been introduced in the Illinois Assembly that, according to the proposed legislation, “Repeals a provision that prohibits the slaughter of horses for human consumption.” The bill also includes the following language: “Deletes a provision in the definition of the term “livestock” that excludes “horses, mules, or other equidae to be used in and for the preparation of meat or meat products for consumption by human beings,” and “Allows equidae more than 12 months of age to enter the State for immediate slaughter without a certificate of veterinary inspection.”

    HB4812, the Horse Slaughter Bill, is going to be heard tomorrow, Tuesday Feb. 16th, at 2:00PM in the Agriculture & Conservation Committee. If you live in Illinois and can speak against the bill at the hearing, here is the address: Capitol Building, Room 122B Springfield, IL

    We need everyone to call the members of the Committee and ask that they vote against it.

    PLEASE CALL AND FAX TODAY AND TOMORROW!

    Chairperson : Brandon W. Phelps
    bphelps@yourclearwave.com
    (217) 782-5131
    (217) 557-0521 FAX

    Vice-Chairperson :
    Patrick J. Verschoore
    (217) 782-5970
    (217) 558-1253 FAX

    Republican Spokesperson and Bill Sponsor:
    Jim Sacia
    JimSacia@aeroinc.net
    (217) 782-8186
    (217) 558-7016 FAX

    Member:
    John D. Cavaletto
    (217) 782-0066
    (217) 782-1336 FAX

    Member:
    Shane Cultra
    (217) 558-1039
    558-3481 FAX

    Member:
    Lisa M. Dugan
    (217) 782-5981
    (217) 558-4553 FAX

    Member:
    Robert F. Flider
    (217) 782-8398
    (217) 782-2528 FAX

    Member:
    Mary E. Flowers
    flowersme@ilga.gov
    (217) 782-4207
    (217) 782-1130 FAX

    Member:
    Julie Hamos
    julie@staterephamos.org
    (217) 782-8052
    (217) 557-7204 FAX

    Member:
    Donald L. Moffitt
    moffitt@grics.net
    (217) 782-8032
    (217) 557-0179 FAX

    Member:
    Richard P. Myers
    (217) 782-0416
    (217) 782-5257 FAX

    Member:
    David Reis
    (217) 782-2087
    (217) 557-0530 FAX

    Member:
    Dan Reitz
    repreitz@egyptian.net
    (217) 782-1018
    (217) 782-0945 FAX

  53. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HERE IS ANOTHER ANTI SLAUGHTER PETITION TO SIGN:
    http://www.petitiononline.com/trotaway/petition.html

  54. Barbara Warner Says:

    FYI -will have to send link for attchment seperately.

    —– Original Message —–
    From:
    Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:59 AM
    Subject: Fleischner Livestock Grazing and Wildlife in the American West

    This is an excellent review of the history of ranching influence on public lands policy and the effects of livestock grazing and production on wildlife. It is definitely worthwhile reading–at least scanning it. Makes a great reference and includes many other good references on subsets of grazing influences if you are looking for a particular reference about ecological impacts of livestock.

    Some of you may remember that Tom Fleischner wrote the best single overview on livestock impacts back in his review paper in Conservation Biology 1994 Ecological Costs of Livestock Grazing. http://www.jstor.org/pss/2386504 This is an updated review with some historical context as well.

    You might share it with others.

    __._,_.___

  55. Barbara Warner Says:

    Just received the final EA and notice the BLM will roundup 50 wild horses along Hgw. 93 starting about March 15 . They will use trapping. They have postponed the Eagle roundup because of pregnant mares but they have no regard for these that may be pregnant although trapping is less stressful. 3 accidents have occured–big deal. They could have put up lights and fences but that would have made too much sense.

  56. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    ALL OF THAT MONEY USED FOR HOLDING PENS COULD BE USED FOR FENCING TO KEEP THEM OFF OF THE ROAD. IS IT OPEN RANGE? WHAT ABOUT THE CATTLE?

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