New Youtube- Calico Roundup, 2nd Foal to lose hooves

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95 Responses to “New Youtube- Calico Roundup, 2nd Foal to lose hooves”

  1. true15 Says:

    This is not only sad, it is outrageous.
    How long did these animals have to run in fear, and suffering, until they could not even hold up any longer?
    Why oh why? For the sake of money?

  2. Jennifer Gage Says:

    this is gut wrenching. That helicopter was way too close to those horses. In fact, when they weren’t moving fast enough for her tastes she practically hit them with the metal bar on the helicotper. The EA specifically states they have to be a certain distance from the horses at all times. This is so illegal. This is so diabolical and evil.

  3. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    This is more proof that the contractors are not doing as they claim. It is in video after video; they are too close, they are pushing exhausted horses too hard, they are abusing the weaker animals with this method. In my opinion they need to be charged with animal abuse and exposed for what they are; unprofessional, cruel and not answerable to anyone as if they can do whatever they wish with impunity. This is not true, they are answerable to the American public. Someday we will get the law to catch up. mar

  4. Morgan Williams Says:

    As far as Mustang, Burro and land destruction — it doesn’t get much worse than this. The step below it is outright slaughter of Mustangs right on the land they stand on in the wild.

  5. Margaret Says:

    I am NOT defending the Cattoor’s. Elyse told us last week that yes, as the horses do come up to the capture site the helicopter does put the pressure on. They don’t want any horses escaping at that point.

    I leave it to each of you to decide the fairness of this. On one hand I do understand but it is oh so painful to watch.

    As for the little ones whose feet fell off I can only say this–I told you so. I told you so. (That’s to Obama). I told them that this was a BAD BAD idea.

    Never did I imagine that they would run a youngsters feet off. But they did. I just ache every time I think of the cruelty that those in charge took part in. I ache because I guess I never realize just how inhumane man could/would be given the chance. And two youngsters paid the price for my ignorance. What bothers me to no end is the knowledge that even the vets didn’t give proper medical care.

    I hope some professional vet association hears about this, picks up on it and charges that vet with cruelty.

  6. Susan Says:

    The videos are heart wrenching, and totally disprove the BLM’s emotional argument that they’re rounding up these animals “for their own good.”

    Here is a link to ASPCA’s web site about animal cruelty laws. A private person might be arrested for aggravated animal cruelty and hoarding for doing less.

    http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/reporting-cruelty-faq.html#federalcruelty

    I think the taxpayers are being asked for too much, to watch the pain and suffering of these innocent animals, and to pay for it. Horses are prey animals- they won’t show lameness until they are really sore.

    These horses belong back on our land, in family groups, with an apology from the United States Government.

  7. Susan Says:

    Nevada’s animal cruelty statute. It says anybody who allowed the prohibited acts to happen could be charged, too.

    source: http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusnvst574_010_510.htm#s100

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    1. A person shall not:
    (a) Overdrive, overload, torture, cruelly beat or unjustifiably injure, maim, mutilate or kill an animal, whether belonging to himself or to another;
    (b) Deprive an animal of necessary sustenance, food or drink, or neglect or refuse to furnish it such sustenance or drink;
    (c) Cause, procure or allow an animal to be overdriven, overloaded, tortured, cruelly beaten, or unjustifiably injured, maimed, mutilated or killed, or to be deprived of necessary food or drink;
    (d) Instigate, engage in, or in any way further an act of cruelty to any animal, or any act tending to produce such cruelty; or
    (e) Abandon an animal in circumstances other than those prohibited in NRS 574.110.

    • Jennifer Gage Says:

      Susan-I just went and looked that up myself. There seems to be laws to protect these horses!

      Citation: NV ST 574.010 – 510

      Citation: N. R. S. 574.010 – 510

      Summary: This comprehensive section comprises the Nevada anti-cruelty statutes. The section first empowers private prevention of
      cruelty to animals societies and outlines their powers and
      responsibilities, including the power to arrest. Under this section, “animal” does not include the human race, but includes every other living creature. Animal cruelty, as described in Section 574.100, prohibits the overdriving, overloading, torture, cruel beating or unjustifiable injuring, maiming, mutilation or killing of an animal, as well as the deprivation of necessary sustenance, food or drink. The first offense under this section is a misdemeanor with enhancement to a felony for a third or subsequent convictions. Animals fighting is also prohibited under the section, with enhanced sentences for subsequent convictions.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        There are also old county laws prohibiting horse roudups during various months of the year, which include Dec., Jan., Feb., etc. in Nevada

    • Trish Kerby Says:

      Lets add total incompetence to their charges. The people who are ‘watching’ over these horses don’t have an ounce of horse husbandry! Can an old lady sue them for cruelty, incompetence, and lying? If anyone knows how to start …..I’m in! Also, we have another set of organizations to call, email, fax. It’s either fight them or give up, and I’m not about to give up! These people don’t deserve to breathe the same air as decent people!

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        I say it’s

        FAILURE TO SHOW HUMANE INTENT.

        YOU CAN’T PROVE THEY INTEND THE ABUSE; BUT WHY COULDN’T YOU PROVE THEY HAVE

        FAILED IN HUMANE INTENT? THEIR OWN EUTHANASIA POLICY (PUBLISHED ON THEIR WEBSITE UNDER NEVADA CALICO ROUNDUP PAGE) INDICATES THAT A VET CANNOT ALWAYS BE READILY AVAILABLE SO THE STAFF ARE TAUGHT TO SHOOT THE HORSES IN COLD BLOOD WHEN THERE IS LACK OF A VET — THIS PROVES

        A) THEY HAVE NO WILL TO REQUIRE THAT A VET BE PRESENT AT ALL TIMES IN ALL PLACES DURING ALL GATHERS

        AND

        B) THAT THEY ARE SO SURE A VET CANNOT BE THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT THEY TRAIN STAFF HOW TO KILL A HORSE. THIS PROVES THAT WHENEVER A HORSE IS SHOT, THERE IS NOT A VET PRESENT. THIS PROVES THAT THERE IS NO PROOF THE HORSE COULD OR COULD NOT HAVE RECOVERED.

        THIS ALSO PROVES

        LACK OF HUMANE INTENT SINCE THEY ALSO PUBLISH THE FACT THAT THEY EXPECT SO MANY % OF DEATHS, ETC. PER SO MANY HORSES ROUNDED UP.

        THAT IS CALLED “PREMEDITATION” ON PLANET EARTH — I DON’T KNOW WHERE THE BLM IS OPERATING, ON THE MOON.

        THEY HAVE PREMEDITATED MURDEROUS INTENT WHEN THEY

        FAIL TO REQUIRE VET PRESENCE
        EXPECT DEATHS
        POST ABOVE FACTS (IN THEIR EUTHANASIA PAGE)
        AND TRAIN EMPLOYEES TO SHOOT THE HORSES DEAD
        TO FOLLOW UP ON THEIR PREMEDITATED PLAN.

        WHERE ARE THE LEGALS BEAGLES ON THESE POINTS??????

        Signed,

        The Addlepated Auntie

      • Laura Evans Says:

        Add to that the fact that they had the foal pellets on hand knowing that there were going to be orphaned foals.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        How many laws do they get to break before they get reprimanded? Indefinite number. Have they ever been reprimanded?? How many laws do they get to break before they go to jail?? Indefinite. They have been convicted of all kinds of things but here they are, still abusing and killing away.

        How many times have we been over all this in 5 months, JF??

        How do you catch the DOI sanctioned criminals??? Catch them in the Act? Document and give it to WHO??? mar

  8. Karen L. Says:

    This is too painful. In my writings to the HSUS, I asked if they could pressure the BLM based on the fact that what they are doing is statutory abuse in most states—both misdemeanor and felony, depending upon the area.

  9. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    And after Sue Cattoor’s public tear-jerking to the media, I can’t help but wonder – was this possibly rougher than it needed to be?
    Working as a contractor for a government agency seems to insulate the various round-up companies from laws visited on the average citizen. And honestly, what vetrinarian worth a (insert cuss word here) would associate himself with an undertaking like this without steppin’ up a little? Unless this was the only gig he could get… maybe best NOT to rock the boat.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Lisa, I think you have a bunny to pull out of your hat and it belongs right here….
      mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Or Barb…

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        Well, fer cryin’ out loud! Let’s have us a dance! Anybody, anywhere – can we get a name and a Google on the veterinary-and-wild-horse-expert who attended this little soiree? (is he mentioned by name on the Humanitarian Observer log?)
        Perchance our viewing public might benefit from a personality profile!
        Wow! I really WAS a nice girl ’til I started hangin’ out wichoo guys!

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Hey, didn’t you get the email??? You will know it when you see it… about your St. Francis Quote… mar

      • jan eaker Says:

        Sue Cattoor and the rest of her “lovely” family, are all extreme pieces of work, Mar, thanks for the email, UN REAL!!!!!!!
        Elyse just posted an update, and offered another reason for the BLM’s abrupt end to this roundup, there were simply no more horses left out there. How infinitely MORE tragic that would be.
        Go to her blog, what she writes is heartbreaking, once again BLM at it’s finest.

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        A couple of days ago I sent Sue Cattoor a copy of the St.Francis quote that Lisa LeBlanc had posted. I was so depressed over the treatment of our wild horses and felt it was the least that I could do to make a simple statement for those poor animals that could not speak for themselves. The following email from Sue Cattoor was received by me tonight–

        Your quote is so true. That is why we feel good about what we do for the wild horses. We know what happens when they run out of food and water and are left to starve or die of thirst. Every one of us in our organization loves wild horses and horses. We do this job because we feel we can gather the wild horses in the most humane way possible and we know what happens if the wild horses are just all left alone and they run out of food or water and die. We feel good about what we do and know we are helping the wild horses left on the range and we are giving the ones that are caught a chance to either go to a good home or live the rest of their lives where there is food and water. We do feel really bad when something happens to one of the animals during a gather or afterward. But we know we are working with wild animals and no matter how careful we are things beyond our control can happen. Have a good day. Sue Cattoor

        There is no response that I can make to this person-a true “vexation” to the spirit.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Jan E. if you were a horse wouldn’t you run for the California border after the helicopter had chased and stolen your family and many others?? Wouldn’t you head away from the helicopters noise and find quiet country to hide in? I just hope they have gone there. Fugitives of abuse and death dealing humans. mar

      • jan eaker Says:

        mar, I hope you are right, I hope the horses did run somewhere far away from the helicopters, I know some of the Pryor horses, older ones, refused to be rounded up and were left on the mountain during that roundup. So I am hoping the same here, that some of the older horses, as soon as they heard those helicopters, took their families as far away as they could,

    • Karen L. Says:

      Okay, what are y’all talking about?

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        It is not my story to tell… Barb or Lisa must come out with it… mar

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        The night of our first vigil, I posted a quote attributed to St. Francis of Assisi (my patron saint) about our duty to our humble brethren and how those who can’t feel pity for them are unlikely to feel pity for fellow humans.
        Someone forwarded it to Sue Cattoor, and she was moved to I guess what passes as compassion. Or some really good pharmaceuticals – hard to tell which.
        But more than anything, I’m pleased it got sent. Too bad it fell on deaf ears.

      • Karen L. Says:

        Oh, dear.

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        Here is the St.Francis quote that Lisa LeBlanc had posted–one of my favorites.

        β€œAll creatures are created from the same paternal heartbeat of God. Not to hurt our humble brethren is our first duty to them but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission – to be of service to them whenever they require it. If you have men who will exclude God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men.”
        St. Francis of Assisi

  10. sandra longley Says:

    Federal law trumps state law in the courts…we have to use the federal court system to go after them and ask congress to recind the burns amendment, so the original intent of the law takes precidence, altho it might be interesting to pursue the fact that the abuses took place on privateland…but I would guess, as subcontractors of the federal government they fall under federal protections.Is it right///no, but thats how the law stands

  11. jan eaker Says:

    And the colts in this piece are fat and healthy, at least they WERE healthy, before BLM decided to run them to death,

  12. nancy roberts Says:

    That helicopter was way to close, Really, really disturbing. Where is the Humane Sociey? The Catoors need to be put behind bars they are murdering our precious little foals. Making them suffer horrible deaths. How much longer can this go on? Just got back from my local HMA, which is being managed towards extinction. So hard pressed to find any horses. Why is the BLM in such a hurry, they are so stupid I cannot believe it. Stupid and evil!

  13. Jerry F. Cook Says:

    Let’s face it, the vets as mentioned earlier, wouldn’t have been picked or gone to work in this manner if they had a decent background and were making a living at their profession. These were picked up by the BLM because they aren’t doing well I bet and you can put it in the bank that I would never want one of them touching my horses! Just look at what that one on the Pryor mtn. roundup was doing sitting on the side of the squeeze chute and poking and prodding a horse that was standing there with a stick for no reason. (At least until he saw the humane photographer taking his pic. She was then banned from being there.

  14. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    “TO BE OF SERVICE
    All creatures are created from the same paternal heartbeat of God. Not to hurt our humble brethren is our first duty to them but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission – to be of service to them wherever they may require it. If you have men who will exclude any of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion & pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men.”

    Good comeback, Sue.

  15. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

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    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      They all must be screamin’ now! (The BLM being the predators)

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      Louie — Donkeys are WONDERFUL pasture guardians. Recently my farrier told me the story of how his donkey kicked a coyote 15 – 20 feet in the air when it threatened the pasture animals. Daisy Mae 1 — Coyote 0!!
      Wild burros have to be re-trained not to see every “predator” as a threat. For instance, most farm dogs are probably not going to attack them. Still, I think these little guys have a lot to offer as friends and pasture mates. I really feel that they get ignored in the larger debate about wild herds, so I try to include them as often as I can when I’m talking to folks.
      Thanks for posting the link!!

  16. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THERE IS A WEALTH OF INFO ON AMERICAN HERDS;

    Wild Burros of the American West
    A Critical Analysis of the National Status
    of Wild Burros on Public Lands
    C.R.MacDonald ~ June 2007

  17. Deb Bennett Says:

    I got almost the same exact stock answer from Sue Catoor (word for word) when I sent her an email. She said she was sorry I was believing everything that was being said on the internet. Shoot, all anyone has to do is read her website and the BLM’s to figure out what they are all about. They speak out of both sides of their mouths. I sure wouldn’t believe ANYTHING coming from them.

  18. sandra longley Says:

    But Chris Hanefeld, spokesman for the BLM office in Ely, wouldn’t link Spriggs’ threat to sue in Washington with the bureau decision in Nevada to postpone the Eagle herd area gather. It had been scheduled to begin Feb. 14.

    “We’re responding to the many comments we’ve received,” Hanefeld said, citing some 9,000 public comments submitted after the BLM announced that it planned to collect more than 80 percent of the animals in the Eagle herd area.

    “We determined it was prudent to defer it to wait until after foaling season,” he said.

    Spriggs maintains that the BLM roundups traumatize, injure and kill mustangs and violate a 1971 law enacted by Congress to protect the horses.

    Bureau officials say the roundups are necessary to reduce an overpopulation of horses that harms native wildlife and the range, and threatens the herds with starvation.

    Ruth Thompson, BLM wild horse and burro specialist in Ely, said officials believe the Eagle herd range from east of Panaca to the Utah state line can sustain about 100 to 210 wild horses.

    The bureau last week finished rounding up more than 1,900 of about 2,500 horses from a larger Calico Mountains complex north of Reno. Officials are preparing the captured animals for adoption or transfer to pastures in the Midwest.

    Hanefeld said BLM officials are considering what to do about some 50 horses that have moved outside the Eagle and nearby Silver King herd management areas in eastern Nevada and are said to threaten the safety of motorists on U.S. 93 near Pioche.

    He said no horse roundups would be conducted without public notice.

    “this mornung in the washington post”..doesn’t most ofNevada have free range laws that motorists have to watch out for freeroaming livestock…I can’t tell you how many times i have come around a corner at night with a herd of black angus on the road..don’t remember anyone having to move the cattle off the land because of it either

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      Anyone ever been to Pioche? I’ve been, once, when I was about 4. (Yeah, they had paved roads back then…) Another case of miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles.
      As vast and empty as this little corner of Nevada is, I’m having a real hard time trying to understand ‘why’. Maybe it’s more of a ‘tradition’ than a real need. Maybe that’s why it was easier to get them to hold off for a while.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Excuses. And the area is vast and plenty of room for all the horses there now…

      Craig Downer said that All the Holding horses PLUS another 8,000, could be released back onto their lands and be just fine… mar

  19. Nora Morbeck Says:

    I just sent an e-mail to the BLM stating that I think they made a good choice by delaying the round scheduled for the 14th. I also told them that I didn’t support these “horse gathers” and that I do support a moratorium on all round ups, believing that there are better ways to manage herds and the land.
    The BLM deserves scrutiny and they deserve to hear about our displeasure — loudly, as necessary. However, most people who work for this agency are not the “bad guy.” The average employee doesn’t take part in the big decision-making, so I figured I’d let them know when they did something right. Sort of a positive reinforcement opportunity. πŸ™‚

    • Karen L. Says:

      A really nice idea! I did the same (with positive reinforcement in mind) right after the Pryor Roundup. I sent mine to the e-address we had been given for Bob Abbey at the time. After thanking him for releasing Cloud and most of his family relatively unharmed, I suggested greater transparency and more open public dialogue in order for the BLM to garner increased public trust and respect. Maybe I’ll do so again, after the images of the dying foal have faded from my mind…Regardless, praising the right decisions is a good approach!

  20. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THE MUSTANG PROJECTS BLOG SAW ONE OF MY QUESTIONS HERE AND ASKED DON GLENN. THIS WAS THE REPLY:
    Broken Arrow USA LLC is the corporate name of the contractor for our new Fallon Short Term Holding facility. We have a 5 year contract with them to hold horses that replaces the other facility we had at Fallon. The land and the holding pens were financed by the contractor. BLM did not buy the land nor build the pens. The only monetary contribution the BLM made was to provide the hydraulic squeeze chute. The only connection to the gather is that is where the Calico horses were shipped to. While we did set up a trap on private land during the Calico roundup, the landowner was not paid for that. No ranchers were paid anything by the BLM for anything related to the Calico roundup. There were also some rumors that Broken Arrow was connected with a Texas corporation with a similar name that has a mobile meat processing business. Our contractor has no connection with this business.

    • Laura Leigh Says:

      This is misleading.
      The contractor was awarded a contract to provide a service.
      (Read here I am paid by you $1,000 to paint your porch).
      BLM did not give the contractor extra money to buy supplies.
      (You wouldn’t buy mu ladder and paint either).

      The contractor was awarded a lucrative contract. In order to fill that they built the pens.

      BLM paid for this facility through the creation of the contract. It did not exist before.
      BLM is great at semantics.

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        So you s’pose the contractor is housing, feeding and vetting the Captives on his own dime out of the milk of Horsie kindness?
        I remember an interview with an older gentleman in George Knapp’s Stampede to Oblivion; the older man is a rancher but was angry at the BLM and the holding facility putting Wild Ones on ‘welfare’. And he was convinced there were horses trucked out of there at night.

      • Karen L. Says:

        So true—great at semantics!

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        yes, Laura, that is how they did it. I had been thinking about that question and thanks for getting the answer here.

        Lisa, I remember that part of George Knapp’s video and that man knew the horses were going out at night.

        Any one hear if the “Processing” of the stallions has begun??? mar

      • Laura Leigh Says:

        Mar,

        I am tracking other horses and have been told that no processing of horses has begun yet.

        I have more pics and video. Working to get it ready.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Thank you, Laura, hope all your projects are going well… want to hear and see what you have for us. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        This article appeared on the IDA site today. Some of it is just a restatement of events over the past few days, but there is one sentence about half way down that caught my eye. It says, “Officials are preparing the captured animals for adoption or transfer to pastures in the Midwest,” as though the process is actually under way.
        http://www.idanews.org/ida-in-the-news/blm-delays-eastern-nevada-wild-horse-roundup/

  21. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    MAKES ONE WONDER WHY THEY CORPORATE RANCH WOULD GO TO SO MUCH TROUBLE TO FINANCE HOLDING PENS.

  22. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    NORA, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT. MOST FOLKS JUST NEED THEIR JOBS. THE DECISIONS ARE MADE WAY UP THE LADDER.

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      A good friend of mine works for the DOI — a completely different branch than the BLM. She had no idea that wild herds are being rounded up or how the BLM has mismanaged the WH&B program. She was genuinely surprised when I told her.
      So, you’re right, Louie. People need their jobs. They may not even be aware of what’s going on in a related area of government or be able to control what’s happening, even if they know about it.
      Knowledge is power. Education is the key!!

    • sandra longley Says:

      Alittle story about a burro named..what else Brighty..who came out of the grand canyon..have no idea how old he was..had alot of gray in the face…I leased him to be a companion to an orphan foal who lost her mother 24 hours after being born…he had served this purpose before he came my way.But prior to that he had been rescued from being used as a roping dummy, his hind legs were full of old scars where he had been heeled(stupid ropers also use goats for that purpose) If he saw you coming with a leadrope, you couldn’t get near him, but you could walk up to him with a halter and put it on him, and snap a leadrope on that you had hidden under your shirt..he was a character..never missed a chance to try to get a “nip” off of the bottle of milk for angel…and had the brownest teeth I have ever seen! You could trim his frount feet but you could not get near his hind feet…smart as a whip….and a regular little alarm clock where food was concerned. Angel just loved him and followed him everywhere..she just never could figure out why she couldn’t bray..he was funny as a cartoon…

  23. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    NORA, I WAS PULLING UP EVERYTHING THAT I COULD TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BURROS A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT THEM. I DON’T THINK THE ADOPTION IDEA WORKS FOR THESE ANIMALS–HORSES OR BURROS. WILD IS WILD AND SHOULD STAY THAT WAY. WHEN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT ANYTHING, IT JUST SEEMS TO HELP THE ANIMAL.

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      I agree. Wild is wild and that’s where they should remain. AND, I think it’s helpful to the horses and burros who will never see freedom again to have a fair chance. Let people know that, yes, they can be trained. It takes time and patience and committment. But it can be done.
      There are workshops on gentling these animals. There are wonderful ways to approach the training process. Clicker training comes to mind, combined with lots of love and compassion.

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        My first ‘breeding season’,we had acquired an Arabian mare named Joy; she was anything BUT. People who did the actual training and handling were experts and far more knowledgeable than me, so I kept my mouth shut and watched as they tried every manner of force on her. No one ever took the time to find out why she was so damn hard to manage. They all (experts) labeled her ‘a bitch’ and set out to sell her.
        She had spent her first 10 years with her mother, who truly had no use for humans. It wasn’t that she was mean or angry; she believed her mother and was frightened. And, bless her, she was an Arabian, so she was gifted with a double whammy.
        Out of an ignorance borne of lack of experience, I started leading her with a loose stud chain – not to pinch, but so she would hold her head still to avoid the noise. Then I started bribing her with treats. Whenever we encountered a ‘threat’, like the tractor, we would walk to it and stay until we conquered it. And we learned to play – just run, buck, kick, snort for the sheer pleasure of it. All of this because I didn’t know any better.
        There are NO bad horses; if they have flaws or issues, it’s because they are living breathing entities with personalities all their own. By being gentle and observant with them, they are more likely to reveal themselves, and more likely to bond with a person as part of the herd. And THAT, my friends, is a true and uneqivocal JOY.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        Lisa — My Tansy came with the name Joy, too! And she wasn’t. Funny that it’s a similar story to yours. She did everything required of her, but never enjoyed it much. Too much harsh training before I got her that we’ve since had to undo. She’s much happier now.
        The bribing with treats thing actually puts you on track toward clicker training/positive reinforcement. Only instead of a bribe, think of it as a reward and creating a positive association. I’ve reworked a lot of my mare’s initial heavy pressure training using a clicker and reward treats. I’ve heard good things about clicker training with mustangs, too.

  24. true15 Says:

    I just came across this, and I did not even realize that horses were used for glue!
    http://www.mnn.com/family/education-activities/questions/are-horse-parts-really-used-to-make-glue-or-is-that-just-an
    Glad to read that some companies are making an effort to use synthetics, but still…

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      Yes, glue does come from rendered animal parts. If you’re a horse person, you probably already know this, so if I’m telling you something you already know, ignore the following. πŸ™‚
      For people who don’t know — Many horses that are euthanized humanely by their owners are sent to rendering plants. Some people don’t have land on which to bury their personal horses, and I know a few people who have sent their horse’s bodies to be rendered. What else can you do if you don’t have the land or other resources to provide a burial?
      I agree that it’s kind of weird to think of something as ordinary as glue comes from rendered animal parts. But horses aren’t slaughtered in the US for this purpose.
      Some one on here mentioned that zoo animals (lions, etc.) are also fed meat from dead horses — probably ones that were euthanized for one reason or another. I don’t think horses are killed specifically for this purpose.

      • sandra longley Says:

        In Oregon, you are prohibbited by law from burying livestock on your land…they have to be hauled off, at considerable expense…given the drugs that administered to euthanize-i wouldn,t want them to go for human or pet food..

      • Laura Evans Says:

        Funny little story. My grandma would never lick a stamp because she said that the glue on the back of stamps came from horses feet and they probably pooped on their feet. My grandma was a crazy little old lady, god love her.

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Sandra,

        It is illegal to bury your equine in Wisconsin too. I know a number of people who quietly put their beloved equine to rest in the ground though. Selling the equine for rendering (of any type) is so expense. It’s the hauling that costs a fortune. We also have animal crematoriums. The price to cremate is $300 and up.

        Before it was illegal, my dear pony Tobias was buried. I can still visit his burial site on my old farm. My horse is buried too.

  25. Pamela Maanum Says:

    I got a BLM donkey sveral years ago as a two-year old. At the same time I got a mustang from a private herd. It took many, many hours of just making friends with my donkey-much longer than it took to win over my mustang, but it was well worth it. Donkeys require much more time and patience. They’re very smart and sensitive. Now the three of us are best of friends!
    Donkeys are amazing animals. They can live on very sparce vegetation and can go up to four days without water. These wild donkey herds thrive where not many other animals can. There’s no reason not to let them be.

  26. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    MY WISH WOULD BE THAT ANY OF THOSE ADOPTED HORSES WOULD END UP IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU–BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.

  27. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Tough i hope to hear from Makendra, KarenL says the freedom fund is alive and all of us need to see what we can give to prevent horses from getting lost some day, so to speak and being sure that some will be safe. mar

    • Karen L. Says:

      Mar, I believe I said that I supported continuing to give or to restarting the Fund. Others on this blog have made comments about their continuing to actually send money, so I do assume it exists.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Karen, I guess I should say that it was alive and I dot think it was totally depleted so I think we are OK on that… I know Makendra has been busy, this is not unusual.

      Makendra and Ginger, we will be wanting to restore freedom fund donations, I hope you are OK with that!! mar

  28. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Wow, I have committed a very bad typo;
    ‘Though’, up there, not tough…. mar

  29. Morgan Williams Says:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-37163-Equine-Advocacy-Examiner~y2010m2d9-Death-toll-continues-to-climb-among-wild-horses-captured-in-Nevada?cid=examiner-email

    Death toll continues to climb among wild horses captured in Nevada

    February 9, 9:08 AMEquine Advocacy ExaminerMaureen Harmonay

    Even though the Calico Mountain Complex roundups were concluded by the BLM on Friday, February 5th, wild horses who are now being held in the Indian Lakes Road facility near Fallon, Nevada, are continuing to perish at an alarming rate.

    In just the last three days, four more horses have died, and another mare suffered a miscarriage. The unofficial tally of wild horses lost now stands at 43 (the BLM says it is 37), with the number of spontaneous abortions estimated to be around 30. Two live foals were born on Saturday, and according to the BLM, they are “doing well.”

    The latest fatalities include three stallions: one was a six-year-old “in poor condition,” who was listed as having “died.” We don’t know how, but it’s likely that this horse’s “poor condition,” like that of the other horses in similar straits, was the result of having been mercilessly chased by helicopters for miles and miles over unforgiving terrain, beyond the limits of strength and stamina.

    Two other stallions and one mare were “euthanized” (read: “shot”) because they were deemed to be suffering from “hyperlipemia,” which, according to The Merck Veterinary Manual, is the result of “poor feed quality or decrease in feed intake, particularly during a period of high-energy requirement. . .hyperlipemia is usually a primary disease process associated with obesity, pregnancy, lactation, stress, or transportation.” In other words, the extreme stress of the helicopter chase, combined with an enforced radical change of diet, is putting these formerly healthy horses into metabolic failure. Left to their own devices, out on their native range, they would have continued to thrive.

    Vicki | A Voice for Our Horses

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Morgan, Thanks for putting this up. I know Makendra has been busy. The two foals that have survived are very lucky!! I do wish they could be removed with their mothers and other mares who are due. They need a place with shelter and natural landscape so these mares can choose a place to foal. This is a sad reality for the horses who have been born in holding. Now we see all the challenges these wild ones face daily from the inadequate surroundings, negligence and lack of choices the horses have. This is cruel, abusive and very non selective management. Each one of our wild ones is special and important to the future of these herds.

      Ask our most pro horse reps to step up and make a statement to BLM to let these horses go home as soon as possible. mar

    • Karen L. Says:

      The APHIS vets (or whichever agency they use) need to get more help on the ground before this turns into a mass tragedy. I can’t imagine that HSUS or the ASPCA wouldn’t send veterinary help if asked.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        Agreed. Since this is happening on privately owned land, do you think the state of Nevada’s Department of Agriculture can legally go and inspect? I don’t know if it matters that the land is technically being leased. The property owner, in most states, has some accountability if it’s happening on their land.
        Does anyone know how the system works in Nevada?

      • Karen L. Says:

        I have no idea who can legally do anything, but as a health care professional, I think they need advice on revising their nutritional protocols STAT. This is almost the reverse of the syndrome Dr. Winand described for us. Clearly, one do-it-all diet doesn’t work. How sad, how sad.

      • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

        Nora and Karen
        You don’t want the Department of Agriculture anywhere near these animals; they can summarily determine which animals are ‘excess’; they will either sell them to a killer-buyer or to a feed lot. And Tony Lesperance, the Nevada Dept. of Ag. Head Muck Bucket is very keen on ‘excess’ horses.
        But if these animals are being held at a private facility, then the owners are legally responsible for their care and welfare, and should fall under those laws just like anyone else caring for animals. Unless, of course, they have the standard-issue BLM ‘Contractor Immunity From the Laws that Govern Everyone Else’ card.

      • Karen L. Says:

        Lisa, That’s one reason we need vets from other agencies, universities, or private practitioners on the ground to observe this mess! The APHIS vets are part of the USDA. (I realize you are talking about Nevada Dept. of Ag)

        I’m going to call or e-mail Mary Landrieu, Nick Rahall, and Raul Grijalva about the information contained in the linked above article.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        Guess the Departments of Agriculture are different from state to state. Ours will seize/impound horses they deem neglected or mistreated, but they don’t kill off unwanted horses. They do hold auctions, but you have to prove you have a place for the horse, allow some one to come and inspect your property, provide proper transportation and you can’t sell a horse you purchase until after a certain period of time to keep kill buyers from coming in and buying up the whole place.
        I mentioned the Dept. of Ag because they do inspect and license any property having to do with livestock.

  30. jan eaker Says:

    FYI, go to Elyse’s blog, they are abnning her from the fallon site after 2-13, there will be NO outside observers allowed there during processing, which is to begin by next week, the hydraulic shute is already there, she has listed a couple numbers to call, we need to call, a LOT of people need to call in protest of this.

  31. jan eaker Says:

    sorry, banning her, am to upset to type right,

  32. sandra longley Says:

    Can anyone get an estimate on how many foals were rounded up, I certainly didn’t see many in relationship to almost 2,000 horses..It would make a good argument to shoot down BLM figures of “future” overpopulation…and it isn’t normal for mares to be foaling in the wild this time of year…mother nature does not work that way..I have to have my mares under lights to get them cycling to concieve at that time of year.

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      Now that’s surprising; the BLM is usually pretty hot to count mare and foal as ‘2’, but cow and calf as ‘1’.
      You wouldn’t think the BLM capable of fudging on ‘statisitcs’ now, wouldja?
      (poor, bitter Lisa…)

    • Laura Leigh Says:

      Many of the mares are already pregnant.
      John Neill said they expect lots of babies soon.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Laura, I hope that there is a chance that this will be the last wild herd to be treated this way. If only we were able to stop the processing and let them all be returned home. More will die from gelding and foaling.

        What group of people do the handling for the ‘processing’? Contactors or BLM?? mar

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        The BLM is expecting a lot of babies, but, will the babies survive in BLM care. Will they be born in slaughter house pens?

      • Laura Leigh Says:

        Marilyn,
        As far as I know the processing itself will be done by BLM personnel under the management of John Neill. The squeeze chute, etc. should be operational by now.
        I’ve made another inquiry today.
        I’m following a stallion and his son.
        I’ll keep you posted when/if I hear anything.

  33. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    WENT TO ELYSE’S BLOG AND FORWARDED INFO ON TO FOX NEWS AND 60 MINUTES AND KLAS. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NEWS EMAIL ADDRESSES?

  34. Karen L. Says:

    IDA responded to my e-mail this A.M. very quickly. I specifically asked if there could be any legal intervention for the horses in the ‘processing’ phase of Calico. They said they are doing everything possible.

  35. Anne Says:

    It is illegal to: thanks for the information; sincerely anne usa(b) Deprive an animal of necessary sustenance, food or drink, or neglect or refuse to furnish it such sustenance or drink;
    (c) Cause, procure or allow an animal to be overdriven, overloaded, tortured, cruelly beaten, or unjustifiably injured, maimed, mutilated or killed, or to be deprived of necessary food or drink;
    (d) Instigate, engage in, or in any way further an act of cruelty to any animal, or any act tending to produce such cruelty; or
    (e) Abandon an animal

    • sandra longley Says:

      It amazed me to find the BLM has very specific protocols for how a gather is to be done-how the animals are to be treated-exactly how many hours they are allowed to go without water ect.It is very specific -the rules they have in place…however they chose to ignore them..

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        sandra, Please post links to the information you find and/or copy and paste more details so people can get at it. . You do find great stuff and we need to use it… mar

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