Cornell Veterinarian Gives Input on roundup

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  1. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Thanks for this article and for your involvement in wild horse care and survival, Mar

  2. Barbara Steele Says:

    Wow–this kind of information and these respected veterinarians need to be brought to Washington to testify on behalf of the wild ones at a Congressional Hearing.

  3. Laura Evans Says:

    She sure hit the nail on the head with the BLM personnel not having any idea what they were talking about. I get that every time I call.

  4. Karen L. Says:

    Thank God, someone finally said what is obvious to most health care professionals! The BLM uses minimal biological science in their applications and methodologies; and medical reasoning is totally lacking.

    Yes, the veterinarians, including Dr. Katz of IDA, should be able to testify before Congress—IF Congressional hearings ever happen. I would think that they could make brief appearances at WH&B Advisory Board meetings, and mail their concerns to Bob Abbey and key officials such as Mary Landrieu in the meantime. The Horseback article should be included in all our “information kits”. It alone would help to counteract some of the BLM’s “they are starving” nonsense!

  5. jan sterling Says:

    i post this blog to other groups – and one person said those horses from calico sure didnt look like they were starving – guess blm dont know a healthy horse from a thin one

    can you get your representative to call for a congressional hearing – dont know how that is done – they seem to have them all the time – now going to have one on our national security at airports after the fiscao on christmas day –

  6. jan sterling Says:

    the other thing i heard about mustangs are their feet – they have perfect hooves – not crippled by wearing horse shoes like domestic horses – one man talking on horse shoes believes that horse shoes shortens a horses life – out in the wild by horses running over rocky ground it naturally keeps hooves trimmed so what happens to all these horses kept in yards – probably no room for them to run – they are being kept like farmers kept cattle for market – srry for same condition for the poor horses – they were built to run – not to stand around all day – makes me sick

  7. jan sterling Says:

    tried to look up on congressional hearings – google congressional hearings and then go to wikipedia and read article – apparently there are several kinds of hearings – think we would want the investigative hearing as we are investigating the blm treatment of mustangs – anyway it looks like it starts in a committee first and then is brought to the full congress so i think you would have to speak to those congress people who are interested in saving the horses to first send to committee to investigate the blm – would probably be uphill battle all the way but how did wild horse annie do it – didnt she write to all of congress – but i think things were different in those days – getting obama to look at the burns act might be a step in the right direction since it was written by a republican under bush and he does not like the former president – is critical of his presidency – it cant hurt to ask him – on another note since i know more protests are planned – why not a day when the protest can be set up for all across america – national mustang day or national wild horse day be called for

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yeah, Jan, I have already copied the Horseback article in order to send it “as is” is to Sen. Mary Landrieu. I agree 100% that we need to start with those elected officials who have shown an interest in the wild horses up to this point, and she has been consistent and creative in her support. Both houses of Congress have been so involved in the healthcare coverage debate during the past session that most other issues were set aside. Now might be a good time to start again with our horse reform requests.

  8. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    CONGRESS IS JUST TOO SLOW–WE NEED TO PUSH AND KEEP ON PUSHING.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yeah, Congress is slow, but I’m continuing to cover all fronts with what I believe to be pertinent information!

  9. Carla Bowers Says:

    The following is where the ROAM Act is sitting. Need to contact each Senator at his separate office re start an investigative hearing, not at the contact #’s below until they’re actually meeting on the issue.

    Members, 111th Congress (2009-2010)
    Senate Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests

    The Subcommittee is chaired by Democrat Ron Wyden of Oregon. The Ranking Minority Member is Republican John Barrasso of Wyoming

    202-224-4972 phone
    202-224-7970 fax

    Majority (Dems)

    * Ron Wyden, Oregon, Chairman
    * Tim Johnson, South Dakota
    * Mary Landrieu, Louisiana
    * Maria Cantwell, Washington
    * Bob Menendez, New Jersey
    * Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas
    * Mark Udall, Colorado
    * Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire
    • Jeff Benjamin, New Mexico (x-officio)

    Minority (Reps)

    * John Barrasso, Wyoming, Ranking Member
    * Jim Risch, Idaho
    * John McCain, Arizona
    * Bob Bennett, Utah
    * Jeff Sessions, Alabama
    * Bob Corker, Tennessee
    • Lisa Murkowski, Arkansas (x-officio)

    This subcommittee’s jurisdiction includes oversight and legislative responsibilities for: public lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Forest Service including farming and grazing thereon, and wilderness areas; establishment of wildlife refuges on public lands and wilderness designation therein; military land withdrawals; reserved water rights; Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act; territorial affairs; national mining and minerals policy and general mining laws; surface mining, reclamation and enforcement; mining education and research; Federal mineral leasing; Outer Continental Shelf leasing; Naval oil shale reserves; National Petroleum Reserve–Alaska; and deep seabed mining.

  10. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    CARLA–GOOD WORK! I DID SEND EACH OF THEM A LETTER AND LOTS OF ONFO. GUESS WE NEED TO KEEP ON KEEPING ON. ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE THINK IS THAT I HAD NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN RESCUING WILD HORSES AND BURROS AND ARE REALLY WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THEM. AS YOU JUMP FROM LINK TO LINK AND COMMENT TO COMMENT YOU REALLY DO SEE THAT.

  11. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I WAS TOLD THAT WHAT IS NEEDED IS A SENATOR OR SENATORS TO SPONSOR AND/OR CALL FOR A HEARING–THAT SEEMS TO BE THE STICKING POINT. FOR SOME REASON, THEY ARE ALL “TIPTOEING” AROUND IT. THEY GIVE “LIP SERVICE” BUT NO ACTION. I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE ALL COME IN– WITH TOO MANY OF US TO IGNORE.

  12. Janet Ferguson Says:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.1579

  13. Janet Ferguson Says:

    This, according to the Thomas website, is the current summary of the bill. I think it looks like the Salazoo Acres are included in this version. What do YOU think??? (PS This is not a test, nor is it a quiz, or a trick question –) (I enclosed in stars – asterisks – the verbage that looks suspicious. Also there is nothing here about reducing cattle in the horse rangelands — no imperatives, though this still exists in the original act as a consideration, but as yet appears to have been totally ignored.)

    S.1579
    Title: A bill to amend the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act to improve the management and long-term health of wild free-roaming horses and burros, and for other purposes.
    Sponsor: Sen Byrd, Robert C. [WV] (introduced 8/5/2009) Cosponsors (None)
    Related Bills: H.R.1018
    Latest Major Action: 8/5/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.
    SUMMARY AS OF:
    8/5/2009–Introduced.
    Restore Our American Mustangs Act – Amends the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act to revise provisions concerning the management of such animals.

    Requires the Secretary of the Interior (for Bureau of Land Management [BLM] administered lands) or the Secretary of Agriculture (for Forest Service administered lands) to: (1) ensure that acreage available for wild and free-roaming horses and burros is at least equal to the acreage where they were found in 1971; (2) update the inventory of such horses and burros annually and make it publicly available on the BLM website every two years; (3) take specified actions to manage such horses and burros and to achieve and maintain a thriving natural ecological balance on lands where such horses and burros are found; ****(4) identify new rangelands, arrange for supervised protection on private lands, and establish sanctuaries or exclusive use areas for such horses and burros; *****(5) report to specified congressional committees on the effects of new ranges, sanctuaries, and exclusive use areas on rangeland health, riparian zones, water quality, soil compaction, seed bed disturbance, native wildlife, and endangered or threatened species; (6) research, develop, and implement enhanced fertility control for mares, stallions, or both; (7) exhaust all practicable options of maintaining a thriving natural ecological balance on the range before removing horses and burros; (8) take specified actions to promote the adoption program; (9) temporarily remove horses or burros from the range if their immediate health or safety is threatened; (10) remove horses and burros determined to be a threat to the health and well-being of native plant or wildlife species; and (11) provide specified public information on animal removals, range changes, and treatment.
    Revokes provisions that allow the Secretaries to destroy: (1) old, sick, or lame animals; and (2) excess horses and burros for which an adoption demand does not exist.

    Requires adopters of such horses and burros to affirm that adopted animals and their remains will not be sold or transferred for consideration for processing into commercial products. Prohibits: (1) containing such horses and burros in corrals or short-term holding facilities for more than six months while awaiting disposition; or (2) destroying such horses or burros unless the Secretaries determine that the horses or burros are terminally ill or fatally injured.

    Removes the limitation on the number of titles to horse and burros that may be transferred to qualified individuals.

    Expands the membership of the advisory board on the management and protection of such horses and burros.

    Applies criminal penalties to any person who transports a live or deceased horse or burro for processing into commercial products.

    ****Lifts a restriction on the authority of the Secretary to relocate such horses and burros to public lands where they did not exist at the passage of such Act.******

    Sets forth new reporting requirements on the management of such horses and burros.

    • Karen L. Says:

      JF, The provision with asterisks existed for S.1579 when it was passed by the House as H.R.1018. It came to the Senate that way—those provisions/passages were written well before Salazar announced his “theme parks” idea in October, 2009. They were there when the bill was introduced in August.

  14. Karen L. Says:

    Individual committee members can be contacted through their subcommittee e-mails as well as through their state offices.
    http://energy.senate.gov/public/

    • Karen L. Says:

      Sorry! At above link you then need to click on contact information in the left column.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        From what I have heard here and at RTs there has been some sort of tampering change to ROAM. I wish this were verified. There are many who simply do not like it. I for one. The 1971 Act has had a Proposed Amendment and if the Burn’s rider were struck down and this update used, we would still have a strong Act that had never been upheld or applied properly. I will get the Proposed Amendment and place it here now. Mar

  15. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    THEN, SEEMS THAT THE ORIGINAL WILD HORSE AND BURRO ACT NEEDS TO BE RE-ENACTED–NO AMMENDMENTS. IS THAT JUST TOO SIMPLE?

    • Karen L. Says:

      Apparently it is too simple—that’s why we are having to have lawsuits to determine the 1971 Act’s intent…

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Wednesday, December 30, 2009
      The Wild Free-roaming Horses & Burros Act of 2010
      To: The 111th Congress of the United States

      Be it that the BLM is currently holding more wild horses and burros in captivity than it can afford to maintain, (said to be approximatly 35,-40,000 and growing) and be it that by BLMs own admission, there is far more adoptable horses being held in these holding facilities than there is a demand for,…and be it that again, by the BLMs own admission, the Wild Horse and Burro Management Program is in crisis because of the great number of wild equines currently being held in captivity at these facilities,….We, the People of the United States who care about the welfare of Americas Equines and in particular our Nations Wild Ones, hereby submit this proposal to our representatives as well as to all members of Congress in hopes of providing a way for interested parties to come together and work towards enactment of these clauses as listed below which would allow a viable, cost-effective means to avoid the very real threat of un-necessary “euthansia” that these thousands of wild horses and burros being held in captivity are facing.

      A Proposal

      A BILL TO AMEND THE WILD FREE-ROAMING HORSES AND BURROS ACT OF 1971

      Preserving those provisions of the 1971 Act not amended herein, including that provision which entitles the wild horses and burros to principal use of their historic rangelands “as found in 1971,” and;

      Amending,removing,replacing and/or adding certain portions and provisions of The Act to:

      1. Declare Equines a National Treasure;

      2. Prohibiting the slaughter of any American Equine as well as prohibiting their sale or transfer to other parties for the purpose of slaughter.

      3. Remove the Burns/Reid rider amendment that allows for the unrestricted sale of some wild horses or burros and replace with a “Pickins Plan” Amendment that would allow for placement of excess wild horses and burros in private or public sanctuaries while still maintaining the protections of this Act.

      4. Correct the Omission of the 92nd Congress in failing to provide protections in the 1971 Act for ALL wild free-roaming horses and burros on all of our Nations public lands.

      5. Declare, as the 109th Congress did, and re-affirm that December 13th is a National Day of the Horse and is to be celebrated annually.

      The New Act, once written up and incorporated with the un-amended portions of the Old (1971) Act,…will superceede and replace the Old Act and the New Act will be Known As: “The Wild and Free-roaming Horses and Burros Act of 2010.”
      Posted by Mz.Many Names at 7:18 AM
      Labels: BLM, Bureau of Land Mis-Management, wild horses

      From Wild Horse (And Burro) Warriors)

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        I especially like #4! Also the original bill was amended to (1971) allow helicopter roundups. I wonder where the new proposal stands on that?

        Also I remember seeing an article on Animal Law Coalition where Laura Allen suggests just 2 changes — will find and post here.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Here’s the link to “The Problem with ROAM” by Laura Allen

        http://www.animallawcoalition.com/horse-slaughter/article/1085

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        On the above Laura Allen article, keep reading — she gets into some nitty gritty stuff that really is critical of ROAM. I think The Cloud Foundation needs to rethink whether they want to urge people to support SB 1579 as it does in various places on the website. Just revisit the decision again.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        P.S. In her article, Laura Allen says that Burns is now a pro-slaughter lobbyist at the Washington, D.C. firm, Gage.

        There are so many societies, nature groups, horse groups, vet groups who don’t want anti-slaughter legislation passed. This in itself is a major battle front.

        That, then the moratorium, then the challenge in the Lamm article for advocates to “come up with solutions or Congress will stay with the “devil they know.”

        The whole problem of birth-control for the horses is huge and on-going!

        I am going to type something up to send to somebody in Nevada (probably Laura L.) from a book I am reading that states that in 3 counties there is a law prohibiting roundups during the months of January – August. The counties are: Millard, Juab and Beaver. Not sure where they are located. The book (published in 1985) says that these laws were enacted because “riding clubs” from Salt Lake City, Provo and Nephi used to go to the mountains around Delphi for five or six years to chase wild horses on weekends. Since they were not good enough ropers to catch adults, they apparently went after the colts and after a few years had wiped them all out, by leaving them alone on the ranges after the other horses had fled. Apparently after a few years, there were no horses of any kind to be seen.

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        I particularly like #4 that would include the horse of the NPS, Forest Horses and Fish and Wildlife under the protection of the Wild Horse and Burro Act. I believe that when Mz.ManyNames posted this she asked for any additions and other views to add to this Act.
        Any ideas of how to get something like this introduced?

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        i am so glad you are looking at this. there is also a document I will try to get to you, a rewrite of ROAM itself. I have very little signal, hope i can get back…. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        It will need sponsors from the house and senate. But it needs the helicopter thingy done for sure. Wild Horse Annie had made the use of helicopters illegal. It still is for livestock!! It needs to be illegal for all wild life from bison, caribou, horses and elk and the wolvies, even sea mammals… all of them. It is all wrong. But you should write to her, JF and say that about the helicopters.

        Craig is not for ROAM as is and says there are things DEADLY to horses as it is. Must be rewritten. mar

  16. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    HOW ABOUT DENNIS KUCINICH FOR A SPONSOR? I THINK HE IS STRONG ON ANIMAL RIGHTS. BEGINNING TO THINK WE NEED PEOPLE FROM THE EAST TO TAKE THIS ON.

  17. Deb Bennett Says:

    Check out the latest update from the roundup-foal death and stallion injured escaping. The BLM needs to be stopped at once. There is a link from Horseback on this and it from Craig Downer.

    • jo bunny Says:

      mar has also posted on her blog the video with some comments from monika & rt has more of the photos & the story on his blog. check them out!

  18. Sandra Miller Says:

    Louie, Dennis Kucinich is way left of center politically and does not have a lot of influence where his colleagues are concerned. Try Rep. Nick Rahall (D-WV). He co-sponsors horse legislation that comes out of the House. I think he cosponsored ROAM with Raul Grijalva. The sponsor of the Senate version of ROAM is Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV). I think we may be happy that ROAM has not been passed by the Senate. The environment there is so tainted with deference to special interests and Corporate America, and that would certainly be present in the ROAM bill. That was not true in 1971. If it had been, the bill would never have given so generously to the wild horses and burros! We need to hang on to what we have in the WFRHB Act. I think in the end the BLM will do itself in by refusing to compromise about its “gathers”(or is it too ignorant to “get it”?). This allows the court case to go forward, I think, into an even broader area, which could result in re-opening all the acreage assigned to the horses and returning the horses in holding presently to that acreage. The new article in “Horseback” is excellent, and there is information about the medical importance of keeping the horses and burros on the kind of land they are born to handle also in the Cloud Foundation “Fact Sheet and Overview” recently released. You could conclude from this information that the whole adoption program has been a mistake. Would you ask people to adopt “excess”mule deer, or elk, or wolves?? The horses and burros are WILD in every way that “wild” means, but the enemies of the wild horses and burros, the “agricultural interests” do not want that view accepted. NEITHER DO THE WILD LIFE SUPPORTERS – and they should be ashamed of themselves! We have looked at the genetic evidence – now we have to look at the medical result of placing these horses on soft, lush pastures. This whole BLM program is a travesty! – as Dr. Winand said, she has four words for the BLM’s program: “It is an outrage” (and she’s from the East). The two books that got me started researching the horses themselves are really worth the time to read: Eva Antonia Wilbur-Cruce’s autobiography, “A Beautiful, Cruel Country” and Silke Schneider’s book about Eva’s horses, “Arizona’s Spanish Barbs, the Story of the Wilbur Cruce Horses”. Eva, in the end, sold her ranch to the Nature Conservancy (it is part of the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge in southern Arizona), thinking her 70-some horses would be allowed to remain. Not the case!! Those people wanted the horses off the land immediately! That shows you the prejudice of wild life groups against the horses. THEY DO NOT THINK THEY ARE WILD – they are “feral”. To sell you all on Eva’s book, here is my favorite quote, from page 95: “And so the weeks turned into months and the seasons went by and we struggled with the endless work, taking what little pleasure we could from the company of those faithful companions, who, once broken, never hurt us or let is down – the scrawny little rock horses.
    !Ay! Caballito creollo que paso and se fue!”

  19. Janet Ferguson Says:

    I sent this to Jerri (the lady we contacted about the winter horses at Palomino Valley with no shelter) at that humane organization and asked her to send it to her Board of Directors, her humane officers, her town officials, and anyone else she can think of. I asked her if there wasn’t anything that could be done about the inhumane roundups.

    http://humanitythrougheducation.com/Wild_Horses.html

  20. Michael J Ahles Says:

    If you want to help free the mustangs, free the west, help preserve America, the land of the free, Boycott Beef!
    The day the agribusiness of beef demands the mustangs freedom, is the day they will be set free.
    Its all about the beef.

    =
    MJA

  21. jan sterling Says:

    i sent the picture that was on cloud of the little colt all covered in snow and obviously freezing to the humane society – anyway has anyone heard roundup cancelled – friend came and told me he heard on radio it was cancelled – cant find anything on line or the tv about it

  22. jan sterling Says:

    as regards the roam act i had read online cant remember where that the roam act as it is now written does not provide full protection on some of the items so i would hope expert legal people from horse groups would read it over

    • Laura Evans Says:

      can we hope that the reason it’s not been passed is because it’s been changed to not protect the horses? We’re really quick to expect the worst because that’s what usually happens but maybe it’s a good thing that it hasn’t passed yet. Maybe it’s not the ones who want the horses gone who won’t pass it but the ones who want the protected because it’t been changed and it’s not good enough. We can hope, right?

      • Karen L. Says:

        A lot of people have always thought that it (ROAM)needed “tightening”, but the 1971 Act was not being interpreted or enforced as written, so ROAM offered fresh opportunities. Two of the horses’ best friends in the House, Rep. Raul Grijalva and Nick Rahall, both advocated its passage. (As has Ginger) It looks as though the court system might finally start to see the original Act in a new way, with Judge Friedman’s admonition to the BLM about transporting and warehousing the horses. Everything seems to be taking so much time, whether in the courts or Congress, but I personally think ROAM has been less than a priority for the Senate because of healthcare insurance problems, etc. Maybe the committee can now start to work on it. Try this link to read the Senate version of ROAM.

        http://www.aowha.org/documents/s1579.pdf

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Good thoughts.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Karen, I had thought that since the ROAM as is had not been debated which can lead to improvements it was because it was not as good as the old act and that was why some there were not pushing it, because it wasn’t good for the horses. But I have no clue.. mar

      • Karen L. Says:

        I don’t know what’s truly going on with ROAM either. The Senate is a “harder sell” on everything as a rule, but I’m virtually positive ROAM hasn’t been a priority. Just thinking that now might be a good time to revisit our committee members since a new year is starting. The original Act should have been adequate in the first place; it’s still the standard. Judge Rosemary Collyer got it right; Judge Friedman really looked at the provisions and tried to get the BLM to think. As I said to Louie, we need to cover all the fronts…that’s all. If the courts would enforce the 1971 Act, that would be great.

      • Laura Evans Says:

        Maybe our issue isn’t with the act at all. Maybe we need to ask them to revisit the 1971 act and just remove the horses from the BLM’s care. Every time it goes to court there’s never a problem with the act, it’s that the BLM has twisted it around to their benefit. And what difference does it make if we have a new law and the same old enforcers? They will still twist it around to say what they want it to say. And they will find the information to back it up like that one picture of the skinny horse that they found to support that the horses are starving.

      • Karen L. Says:

        Yes, that’s one of Sen. Mary Landrieu’s ideas—to just remove the BLM as stewards. One of ROAM’s differences from the original Act is that many passages remove the word “allow” and replace it with “require” so that the BLM MUST do certain things, instead of leaving things to their choice. What is irritating is the lack of action from the subcommittee.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Requires birth control. That is a last option for me. There was loss of land, too. It will come to something soon enough. The 1971 Act is in place. Remove Burn’s and improve ’71 and put it i Natural Resources or such and enforce it and respect it. it never had a chance being handed to the enemy from the start. Mar

  23. Janet Ferguson Says:

    BUFFALO BOOK

    Maybe we can learn something from the trials and tribulations of this buffalo advocate: I have ordered this book from my library just for that purpose:

    http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/product/Last-Stand,674177.aspx

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Yes, This is a classic that I saw all over bookstore in the Yellowstone area and I am sure is kept in print. There are Many good ones like this. More new ones, too.

  24. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    KAREN, MY COMMENT ABOUT CONGRESS BEING TOO SLOW WAS JUST MY VENTING IN PRINT–WE ARE ALL RIGHT ON TRACK WITH A MULT-PRONGED APPROACH. EVERYTHING EVERYONE DOES COUNTS, AND EVERYONE BRINGS A DIFFERENT TALENT TO THIS BATTLE. THEY ARE HOPING THAT WE WILL ALL JUST GET TIRED OF IT AND GO AWAY, BUT THAT ISN.T GOING TO HAPPEDN. I AM ABSOLUTELY “BLOWN AWAY” BY THE VAST KNOWLEDGE AND DEDICATION OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG AND ON OTHER WEBSITES.

    • Karen L. Says:

      Louie, I was just giving an overview to some newer people on the blog. I have been studying and compiling information on my own since June, 2008. The interest, passion, and apparent dedication of those on this particular blog is absolutely overwhelming! I am by nature and profession a detail-oriented person, and in this battle every salient detail counts!

      Speaking of interest and passion, Horseback Magazine has printed a response to Dr. Winand’s comments, plus HER response to the Dr. responding. I am going to try to link it shortly.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      multi-pronged — I like the word. Hope each prong is as sharp as can be, AND our little Pitchfork does all those things a good pitchfork is known for! Ha!

  25. Sandra Miller Says:

    Thank you, Janet, for sending the link to humanity through education. I’ll pass it on to everyone on my friends and relatives list. I cannot imagine how hard this is on all of you in the field! The pictures of Freedom escaping breaks my heart. He could well have broken a leg! I mentioned before that you might be able to get Jane Velez-Mitchell on Headline News (HLN cable) to again feature a story on the wild horses and burros. All of America needs to see Freedom in action, and she has a huge heart for all animals.

  26. Karen L. Says:

    Okay, I hope this link works. Both of these vets have caring, yet differing thoughts on the horses, and it gets complicated. Also, in the right column is an article by Bob Abbey in which he uses the BLM’s most tired and biologically strange argument that “the horses have no predators”.
    http://horsebackmagazine.com/breakingnews.htm

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      Karen and all — Lack of education on the part of decision makers is a huge obstacle to progress. Every time I hear that horses don’t have predators, I want to throw something.

      The deceptive and the under-educated go around saying things like horse herds double in size in 5 years because there are no natural predators. The BLM makes it sound like wild horses are immortal or something — like they’re born and never die because there are no other ways for them to die EXCEPT being eaten by predators.

      This gives the false impression that horse herds only increase and never decrease in size. I’ve never seen a chart that shows mortality rates — only birth rates. No wonder the BLM’s numbers are so messed up. Are they even accounting for herd losses?

  27. jan eaker Says:

    actually, the horses do have the worst predator of all–us!!!!!

  28. jan eaker Says:

    not us as in those here, but mankind in general, we’ve eliminated their natural predators through our interference, mountain lion populations are down in the west,

    • Karen L. Says:

      Yeah, but the way it constantly comes up in all BLM communications is almost comical. It makes me picture some special BLM Training Academy where each student must repeat 20 times, “The mustangs have no predators, the mustangs have no predators, the mustangs…”

  29. jan eaker Says:

    it’s the mantra, “they have no predators, they are starving, we are saving their lives” . maybe if you say it enough you actually believe it.

  30. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    I PASTED AS MUCH AS I COULD OF DR. WINLAND’S COMMENTS, AS WELL AS HER CREDENTIALS ONTO THE CNN E-MAIL SITE. I THINK OUR OWN COMMENTS, BACKED UP BY DOCUMENTATION ARE GOOD. IT TAKES TIME–BUT WELL WORTH IT.

  31. LOUIE COCROFT Says:

    AFTER I POSTED THE LAST COMMENT ABOUT PASTING INFORMATION TO CNN THE COMPUTER STARTED ACTING FUNNY AND WOULDN’T PASTE–BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY ON HERE–JUST KEEP ON DOING ALL THAT YOU ARE DOING.

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