NV wildlife agency backs BLM in wild-horse suit

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_14026348?nclick_check=1

Article does not mention that BLM upped livestock grazing permits 300% last year in this area– that is the grazing that must be reduced for the health of the range and wildlife (horses included)

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32 Responses to “NV wildlife agency backs BLM in wild-horse suit”

  1. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Is that a State Agency?

  2. Margaret Says:

    Yup. It’s the State Dept of Wildlife for Nevada.

    Weird, I signed up to make comments and now it won’t let me. And the MercuryNews is an hour or so south of me.

    I think we need to make SOME REAL LOUD NOISE. But I don’t know how to do this. Getting someone to listen when they have plugs in their ears and silly putty for brains–does not lend itself to a hopeful outcome. All we can do is still write, speak up (it cost me my job), and try to keep after our Senators.

    It’s funny really. I have a learning disability and I think I could do a better job managing the wild horses than Slaughter Salazar is doing??? I wonder how I go about taking his job from him???? First thing–all wild horses are returned back to their homes.

    And then if PZP (or something similar) needs to be addressed–I take this under careful advisement. This means you talk to the people on the ground–like Calico or the Pryors. You don’t listen to the drug manufacturers (there in it for the money nothing else). And you some common sense for the long term.

    You don’t dart a little immature filly. This has been proven to sterilized them. And you don’t repeatedly dart the same mare year after year.

    Common Use–maybe some of those ATV’rs need to travel a bit further to their offroad stuff. Leave the horses alone. But by traveling further you can go where you want and you don’t have as many rules to abide by.

    Cattle Use–let’s see. Why in heaven’s name do the big corp’s get to run so many cattle for SO CHEAP. Time to up the anty on them.

    And for those big outfits that complain about the mountain lion kills–they get tax write offs if they lose an animal like that. That is part of the business. Even Ginger doesn’t hold it against the mom mountain lion that killed little Dusty. And believe you me–little Dusty’s story was heartbreaking.

    My last rant is this one. Slaughter Salazar wants to have all these sanctuaries–I say great. But use the land for growing hay and needed feeds for cattle and horses. Then you can employ more people to harvest that feed, and move it from the east to the different sites. But see that one is so easy that Slaughter Salazar can’t and won’t consider it because he didn’t think of it.

    Sorry for my rant. I guess this week has just been a bit tough.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      Saw your feed idea before on this blog — made me wonder — why not put all those gosh darn corporate cattle on these preserves in the East, darn it! WTF

  3. kas0859ohio Says:

    “removal of the horses in the Calico Mountain Complex is needed to bring population numbers down to prevent habitat deterioration”

    How can the numbers returned to the range be SO LOW? It doesn’t make sense these numbers can not be viable?

  4. kas0859ohio Says:

    http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/144928/group/Opinion/

    Here’s another one…

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      There was a time that a journalist would check all the facts and not get caught printing misinformation. Those days are gone. If it is controversial then it gets print and even adding to the controversy will help sell papers. There is no integrity in some of these writers and editors. They will carry on the lies and myths because they have lost their sense of right and wrong. This is pitiable and so low we can not help but be lucky we are still seeking the truth here. If these be hard times then thank our lucky stars we still desire to find a path that is clear and not strewn with the dead horses, wolves, buffalo and others that have so fallen out of favor with these shallow termites. Mar

  5. kas0859ohio Says:

    While trolling the internet/new feeds I found this video, I know its off the immediate topic, but these animals will take your breath away… enjoy

    http://www.thebahamasweekly.com/publish/news/The_last_8_wild_horses_in_The_Bahamas8927.shtml

  6. Suzanne Moore Says:

    Check this: http://www.examiner.com/x-25094-LA-Equine-Policy-Examiner~y2009m12d18-Time-to-rein-in-BLMs-wild-horse-and-burro-program?cid=examiner-email#

    We need to spread this around – especially that quote from Don Glenn! Shout it out!

  7. Margaret Says:

    Okay this one is TOTALLY OFF TOPIC–just a warning:

    I just wanted to compliment Ginger on what an OUTSTANDING job she did with the newest video. I got it yesterday and ABSOLUTELY LOVED the extras.

    Sorry for the interruption.

  8. kas0859ohio Says:

    The biggest points we need to drive home is the WH&B advocates are asking for:

    The U.S. Bureau of Land Management’s National Horse and Burro Advisory Board needs to put a moratorium on roundups until an independent audit of mustang numbers can be conducted.

    Range and water assessments need to be conducted by an independent panel or experts.

    A long term cost effective plan for the horses already in captivity.

    I just don’t see how “they” can argue with these main points.

    • Laura Evans Says:

      Ginger says the ones in captivity need to be returned to the wild.

      • Margaret Says:

        I agree to a point. What about the ones born in captivity? Do they have enough know how to survive the wild? If not, perhaps THOSE need to be held back. But this needs to have someone independent of the BLM to do this. We know how the BLM feels.

        Trace (Ginger’s wild horse she adopted) is a wonderful example of horse returning to his roots. He just about dumped her in that watering hold pawing up a storm. He hadn’t been back for a while and flat out knew exactly what to do.

        Perhaps some of the horses will need to have some kind of intermediate home–big pasture (such as where Conquistador is/was) where folks can keep an eye out for some period of time just to be sure.

        All I know is this: The BLM has done a horrible job MANAGING our wild horses. Blaming former heads of BLM is just passing the buck. This whole organization is insidious, rotted from the inside out.

        Careful management of using some kind of PZP (I use this as an example) may or may not be in order. Considerations to predation, electrical storms and such need to be considered. For instance, if one year all the foals are killed by predation–you don’t use PZP for that year or the following. You don’t just blithely make a rule and then everyone goes by it. You look at each HMA and take an honest look at what the situation is. And for heaven’s sake you don’t dart an immature filly.

        Finally let the BLM buy up their sanctuaries they want to. But instead of running the wild horses there–how about growing feed for the horses (really bad weather could mean no feed) and for cattle. You employ lots of people to harvest that feed. And more to move it from one location to the next. And even more to get it out to the different areas.

        I know–this one is so easy Kennie Slaughter Salazar won’t go for it because he didn’t think of it.

        May the days of the BLM be short and very unsweet. And the days for our horses be long, full of life, fun and food.

      • kas0859ohio Says:

        Thanks Margaret, I was looking for a little back up on this return them (all) to the wild issue. I agree about how many babies born in holding facilities. Look at how many there were on the last internet adoption, and that’s just a few of the ones they bother to try to get adopted. The must Mustang horse makes a magnificent mount and I think that should be showcased. The internet is a powerful tool, that’s how I got started with this whole Mustang issue. There are many trainers out there who currently specialize in training Mustangs. The babies in the stockades would be better off, if not free, then in homes or as mounted border patrol, police mounts, cow ponies. I’ve seen them do dressage and cross country eventing I could go on and on. They so versatile, they can do anything!
        If the youngsters could get even a little bit of ground training, learn manners, etc. They would stand a much better chance of getting adopted. Okay, I’ll get off my high horse now.

      • Laura Evans Says:

        I wasn’t even thinking about the ones born in captivity even though my husband and I have been discussing adopting one for our daughter. Convincing her that it has never lived in the wild so it’s not the same as taking it from the wild has been harder than I thought it would be though.

    • kas0859ohio Says:

      I wonder if there is an organization somewhere that would take some of the yearlings and train them if rescues would pay for them (or their fee could be waived by the BLM) and pay to have them shipped to training camps. Perhaps volunteers could be allowed into the holding facilities to teach haltering and trailering to start them off? People pay big bucks to go to “dude ranches”, why not a real Mustang ranch? A quick seminar in natural horsemanship for the trainers then its off to the training corrals! Folks “vacationing” who would love to work with horses but need to go home to there day jobs at the end of the week?

      I wonder if Madeleine Pickens would be interested in funding an ongoing “Extreme Baby Mustang Challenge?”

      I would do it in a heartbeat. Just throwing ideas out there.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Yes, and the Farmington facility is like that where Patricia gentles and starts the Jicarilla horses . Their ‘program’ is to only catch horses for what room they have from adoptions and she has 90 days, too. The young ones get handling and are adopted more readily. I would think that they would need more places like this. You should look into it and see if you could do it. It would be a joy, I think. Mustangs make choices differently from other domestic horses and even those who have not run free are still learning from those around them, what they can… Patricia said that she was doing her job so that people who do not have the 6 foot high paddock can adopt and bring a horse home safely. mar

  9. jan eaker Says:

    There are foster farms that do take in mustangs to gentle them and start their training, the theory being that this will make them more adoptable. There is a place in southern Indiana, she gets the horses from a holding facility in Illinois, unfortunately, the BLM allows her to keep them only 90 days, they must be adopted w/in that time, or are returned to the holding facility. The Mantle Ranch in Montana is another training facility that works w/mustangs, so there are programs in place, I believe more people would be willing to do this, there are also the Extreme Mustang makeovers in various parts of the country, they feature yearlings as well as older horses.
    FYI, Matt has posted winter pictures of the Pryor horses on his website, they look great; fuzzy, fat and healthy this Christmas season.

    • kas0859ohio Says:

      Jan- Thanks for the info. I knew about the Mantle Ranch, is it part of the prison program? I know of at least one rescue in Florida that has BLM mustangs for adoption. You would think the BLM would love to get horses out of their facilities and NEVER want the horses back. 90 days is not enough time to find suitable homes, other types of rescues have horses for years. One VERY special rescue we all know in love in Texas comes to mind ;). The Extreme Mustang Makeover is gaining popularity with publicity, but seems to be more of a show rather than a rescue effort. I couldn’t make it to the one in Tennessee this year, but plan to go next year for sure.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        mantle Ranch i owned and run by a man who is well known for training BLM mustangs, it is a private place outside Rock Springs, Wyoming. mar

      • jan eaker Says:

        Extreme Mustang Makeover horses are adopted after the event, the one in Michigan 2 years ago had a good amount of the horses adopted, as they are saddle or halter broken depending on their age.
        Mantle horses are all adopted as well, I heard that some of the horses held at Rock Springs will go there,
        I don’t like the time limits on the foster horses either, these guys were in a good place and were returned to a prison. it’s too bad;

      • Kathleen Schaaf Says:

        Yeah, we all know what could happen to mustangs going to/from the prison programs. Like the ones sent to killer Olsten to get “adopted”. Last time I checked the Florida rescue had a horse from an Extreme Makeover event up for adoption. It said it was available from the BLM, so I guess the event horses continue to be owned by the BLM until they are “officially” adopted. Thanks go out to the Mantle Ranch guy from me, I have seen his horses on the WH&B adoption sites. Speaking of that, does anybody know why the BLM does not keep the horses up for internet adoption all the time? Why is internet adoption not ongoing? Anybody?

    • jan eaker Says:

      Mar, that is another plus for these horses, potential adopters don’t need the pen requirements, as these horses are already gentled, I know for me, getting together the appropriate pen is a drawback, and a spring project; that’s why I checked into the Indiana place as well as Mantle Ranch and Canon City horses.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Hey, You getting a new Mustang this Spring? Wonderful, Jan. Yes, it is a way for people with the space but not that special high paneled pen. We would have to do the same to have a couple here this Spring. The snow and other considerations have kept us from our day trips to Farmington and Canon City. We will get there as soon as we are able, but no idea when that will be. Winter has just begun but won’t keep us in for long. mar

      • kas0859ohio Says:

        Jan- Am I understanding if you adopt a “gentled” Mustang from one of these places, you don’t have to have the pen height requirements?

      • jan eaker Says:

        What the people in Indiana told me was that their foster horses had been pasture broke and could go out in the pasture, one of the reasons for the small pen and high fences is to be able to work with the horse that is terrified of you and is looking to get away from you,
        because these horses are already gentled, halter broke, leading and have been out in a pasture, you don’t need the 6 foot fences or small area for them. The horses that go through the Mustang Makeovers are used to stalls, arenas, commotion, and have been started using natural horsemanship methods. The Mantle Ranch website has viseos of some of their horses, they get them out riding around other horses, dogs, really expose them to a lot.
        The internet adoption sites offer many of these horses and they are usually the first ones adopted. The adoption fee for the Mantle horses starts at $125, the standard fee. The prison facility horses at Canon City adoption fees start @$125, w/an additional amount payable to the prison program depending on the amount of training the horse has had.

  10. kas0859ohio Says:

    Just checked out the Pryor horses, they indeed look fat and healthy. The black “triplets” are just darling! Thanks Jan!

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