An Immediate Moratorium needed on roundups

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90 Responses to “An Immediate Moratorium needed on roundups”

  1. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    This is double what it was a couple days ago. Great!! Thanks for putting this back up.. mar

  2. Suzanne Moore Says:

    Just signed!

  3. Barbara Steele Says:

    Need more signatures, put it on your Facebook, websites, friends, family,

  4. jo bunny Says:

    a few days ago there was a word file under the last petition (stop the roundups petition, 26 october). is this something that we can still print out, gather signatures, & send in?
    if so, should we collect pages & send them to tcf? makendra, or someone in the loop, please advise on this one!
    i think that i could get a few more signatures THIS way, too. i was going to put a few pages out at a couple of local stores, take them to my riding club meeting, & hit the equine affaire in two weeks with a big stack (think i could get some signatures at the blm booth that will be there?!?)

  5. jo bunny Says:

    this just in from horsetalk.nz online website….
    http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/10/216.shtml

    “An alliance of more than 60 organisations has called for a suspension of all wild-horse musters in the United States, saying roundups have intensified and some herds have been removed entirely.”
    pretty much reiterates what was written in the call for moratorium article on tcf website a few days back….
    an alliance of more than 60 organisations, with many of the big names in the wild horse world cited in this article. sounds like there is more organization & coherency than we were giving credit!

    at the bottom of this article, link to the “wild horses in the news” for some more news articles on wild horses, most of which are american mustang & burro articles. i think that new zealand horsetalk has more articles about AMERICAN wild horses on their one website than ALL of our american newpapers & magazines put together (with ONE exception—steven long’s horseback mag, of course)

  6. Louie Cocroft Says:

    WE DO NEED TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE WATCHING AND ARE IN HORROR AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR WILD HORSES AND BURROS–DOESN’T MAKE THE U.S. LOOK THAT GOOD IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD.

  7. Louie Cocroft Says:

    A COMPUTER TECH MAN FROM INDIA CALLED AND WHEN I TOLD HIM ABOUT IT AND GAVE HIM THE WEBSITE, HE LOOKED IT UP AND SAID HE WOULD DO WHATEVER HE COULD TO HELP. HE TOLD ME THAT PEOPLE IN INDIA LOVE HORSES.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      That’s wonderful. Just don’t look at the Pakistan “dancing horses” on youtube. Your blood pressure will skyrocket, I should think.

  8. Louie Cocroft Says:

    I DID SEE ONE SIGNATURE ON THE PETITION FROM SOMEONE FROM INDIA–#55, I THINK

  9. Louie Cocroft Says:

    CORRECTION–#88

  10. Ronnie Says:

    Just read!
    Animal Law Coalition, Laura Allen.
    *Update, Nov. 2, 2009>>

    “CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE WILL CALL FOR MORATORIUM ON GATHERS.”

    http://www.animallawcoalition.com/horse-slaughter/article/1081

  11. Louie Cocroft Says:

    WHAT ABOUT THE ROUND-UP SLATED FOR THE CALICO COMPLEX? DO WE STILL HAVE JUST 2 WEEKS LEFT TO SUBMIT PROTESTS? DOES THIS MORATORIUM INCLUDE THEM? WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR SUBMITTING COMMENTS/PROTESTS?

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Yes, you still have to comment in this period. The moratorium includes them, but we need to see if horses off BLM are covered. Steens in Oregon and other Forest Service/Park horses and burros. There is a comment link on Calico here on a post fairly recent. mar

  12. Janet Ferguson Says:

    In the petition, #2777 is so well stated:

    “Please, stop the roundups! Reinstate the 1971 Federal Protection act for wild and free roaming horses and burros. Remove the amendment of excess animals which was signed by Bush among many pages of other criteria which I am not convinced he even read. Lets face it, most of his decisions were not good. We want the Federal protection of our wild horses!! We want our wild horses to remain wild and stop giving these federal lands to cattle ranchers for private gains, grazing their cattle! The horses were healthier fending for themselves than they are in captivity. No sales to kill buyers EVER!!! I and millions of others, want to see all those in captivity returned to their rightful places in the wild, where they were taken from exactly! We want to see Federal protection returned. The wild horse is a huge part of our Western Heritage. The horse brought us here and helped fight in wars and have been our transportation and our beautiful friends. They have always been a joy to see grazing in the hillsides or running wild on the plains. Show them the respect they deserve and leave us something wonderful to see, untamed and free. Thank you”

    Thank you, petition signer #2777 — your comment pulls it all together and maintains the momentum at the same time!!! This would be a good letter to “elected officials” just add specifics on the “amendment of excess animals” (Burns Amendment) and highlight the “plusses” of the “1971 Federal Protection Act” (esp those plusses that didn’t make it to the current ROAM Act) as well as those that did!

    Also I esp. like comment #50, with its statistics:

    “Wild horses account for less than 0.5% of large grazing animals on public lands. 6 states have lost their entire wild horse and burro populations. BLM’s private livestock grazing program encompasses 214 million acres of public lands, costs over $130 million to manage annually, yet only provides 3% of our national beef supply. The current fee to graze private cattle on public lands is $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM), the equivalent of $0.06 per acre per year, or about 1/10th of market rates to graze cattle on private lands. Private livestock outnumber wild horses and burros at least 200 to 1 on public land. (keeping in mind that some livestock may not be grazed year round). The BLM needs to monitor the range lands more accurately. From our ranching experiences in southern Wyoming, there are several ranches that over graze their BLM allotments far worse than the wild horses. Few of these ranches ever receive punishment from the BLM. I know this for a fact as we were previously employed by such an operation. Couldn’t BLM funds be better used for regulating the grazing by the cattle producer, than the costly wild horse roundups? Or is the cattle producer considered the supreme user of the BLM allotments?”

    Thank you petition signer #50!

  13. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    There is the chance that Burn’s Amendment can be thrown out. That would be justice. mar

  14. Louie Cocroft Says:

    COULD SOMEONE HELP ME TO FORMAT THE BEST POSSIBLE COMMENT TO THE BLM CONCERNING THE CALICO COMPLEX GATHER–WANT TO DO IT RIGHT. I FOUND THE ADDRESS:
    DAVE HAYS, FIELD MANAGER
    BLACK ROCK FIELD OFFICE
    BLM WINNEMUCCA DISTRICT OFFICE
    5100 E WINNEMUCCA BLVD.
    WINNEMUCCA, NV 89445-2921
    IS A LETTER OK OR DO WE HAVE TO USE AN OFFICIAL FORM OF SOME KIND? I’M NEW AT THIS.

    • jo bunny Says:

      blm EA…..link to the calico gather…..

      http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/wfo/blm_information/nepa0/wild_horse_and_burro/Calico.html

      reference information:
      DOI-BLM-NV-W030-2010-0001-EA

      This is the contact info that BLM has on their website…..
      Jerome Fox
      Bureau of Land Management
      Winnemucca District Office
      5100 E. Winnemucca Blvd.
      Winnemucca, NV 89445
      775.623.1500
      e-mail: NV_WFO_Webmail@BLM.gov

      MAKE SURE THAT THE EA NUMBER (ABOVE) IS REFERENCED AT THE TOP OF YOUR LETTER!

      i’ve only written one comment letter myself (for the tobin range round up comment section back in september) & i had to borrow heavily on someone else’s pre-written letter. dig around & see if someone has started working on this….ewa? sowh? adhf??? i’m sure that somewhere there is a sample letter for comments to the blm…will troll the net some more & see if i can find one for us!

      one other thing that i can add….& this is just MY own thing….when i mailed in my comments for the tobin range roundup, i sent it so that the blm had to sign for it when it arrived at their office. that way, i KNEW that they had received it AND by their deadlines, & there was no way they could say that they hadn’t. it was just MY own way of being sure.

      then, after about a month, i received a comment back from them (it cost us taxpayers something over SIX DOLLARS for the BLM to send their comments to our comments). their comments made no sense whatsoever. it seemed to me as if they were repeating what they had already written in the EA, as if their minds were made up about the roundup YEARS before. at least i felt better by getting my comments in, & making them respond. it wasn’t much, but it was at least something. sigh.

    • jo bunny Says:

      louie,
      i just sent a reply to your emale with some necessary information when writing to the BLM regarding the calico complex roundup. because there is an address & a website link in it, i am seeing a “your comment is awaiting moderation” at the top of my reply.
      if you don’t see the reply in a little while, repost & i’ll try to resend it in a different format so that you can read it!

  15. Louie Cocroft Says:

    I THINK IT’S GOOD TO CALL, WRITE AND E-MAIL.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      I believe you are officially allowed one comment that will be entered into the record. There is a link, here, on the Calico roundup post… A letter is best, I think. mar

  16. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Louie, Tell them how you feel. Make sure you say where you are from and what this is for in the body of the letter? Right, JF? Be up to date, Say that the moratorium is imminent and like a million others you want BLM to NOT ‘gather’ theses horses. You can say why in many ways. More suggestions? mar

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      I wonder if something not too long and elaborate might be just the thing. Keep it to 4th grade level or less (this helps you to organize your own thoughts — works for me) What do you feel, say what you feel. Understand that you are talking to the “boots on the ground” in this nasty business. I have in the past written two page emails with all this info, it’s not worth it. Save it for people who have decision making powers.

      Just weigh in against all roundups and for a moratorium, we are losing our wild horses. Things have to change. Know, BLM, that we are watching your activities and we do not like what we see.

  17. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Anyone wishing to spend more time researching the history of federal land issues in the US, here is a link:

    http://ebooks.abc-clio.com/search_results.aspx?form=standard&q=Federal%20Lands%20Policy&type=keyword

    The link goes to “ABC/CLIO” e-book collection. I went there from Greenwood Press website, looking for the book, “Federal Lands Policy” by Phillip O. Foss, 1987 (a collection of various writings on the subject.

    After doing a word search at “ABC/CLIO” website on “Federal Lands Policy”, I got 300 responses. Foss’s book, above, is #4 of 300 listed. If you read some of the 300 titles, you will also be amazed at all the writings on the subject, and how much there is to learn — about the background of this mess.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      JF, you found so much, stuff, thanks and maybe we will still need some of it. it ain’t over… i did read some of the earlier stuff, Taylor grazing and such. Very worthwhile.. There may be squabbles to come about the land of the horses. Mar

  18. Louie Cocroft Says:

    JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING. I REMEMBER SOMETHING JERRY REYNOLDSON SAID ON COAST TO COAST. HORSES DON’T DAMAGE THE REPARIAN (WHAT IS THE CORRECT WAY TO PHRASE THAT?). THEY JUST DRINK AND MOVE ON.

    • jo bunny Says:

      louie…regarding riparian area damage & CATTLE (nothing regarding horss in this)…..

      this came across my lap yesterday….it’s an ad for some mineral salt block thing, but at the very beginning of it is a statement by a cattle rancher who acknowledges the damage that cattle do to riparian areas:

      “Getting a range cow to leave the comforts of a riparian area for the grassy mountainside has been a challenge for western cattle producers for decades. Steep terrain makes getting evenly distributed use throughout an area nearly impossible.”

      there are links to several articles on their webpage to research papers (2000-2003 or thereabouts) regarding grazing management. don’t know if any of that would be useful to you but at least gives you some names to start with (if they have done research on grazing mgmt for the testing of their salt blocks, at least they have something to contribute to grazing overall, i would think…..)

  19. jo bunny Says:

    louie,
    there are several places that state this. roxy, suzanne, mustang jack, & a few others of us have posted comments similar to this on rt’s site, under “wild horses/cattle & how the aum’s & aml’s stack up” dated 24 september, 2009. read mj’s article then scroll down for the comments, with the links that we have all posted.
    i would bet that roxy has a complete list o’ links for this by now. she’s a RESEARCHER, our roxy! 8 )
    http://rtfitch.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/wild-horses-cattle-and-how-the-aums-and-amls-stack-up/#comments

  20. Louie Cocroft Says:

    WENT TO THE WEBSIT–CHECKED OUT THE COMMENTS–WOW!

  21. Louie Cocroft Says:

    I NEED TO CORRECT MY SPELLING–RIPARIAN

  22. Louie Cocroft Says:

    JO BUNNY
    I CAN’T FIND YOUR REPLY–AM I LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE?

    • jo bunny Says:

      no, louie! you’re not! it is still “awaiting moderation” & hasn’t gotten posted….here’s part of it….
      blm EA…..link to the calico gather…..

      http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/wfo/blm_information/nepa0/wild_horse_and_burro/Calico.html

      reference information:
      DOI-BLM-NV-W030-2010-0001-EA

      • jo bunny Says:

        another part of it….
        This is the contact info that BLM has on their website…..
        Jerome Fox
        Bureau of Land Management
        Winnemucca District Office
        5100 E. Winnemucca Blvd.
        Winnemucca, NV 89445
        775.623.1500
        e-mail: NV_WFO_Webmail@BLM.gov

        MAKE SURE THAT THE EA NUMBER (ABOVE) IS REFERENCED AT THE TOP OF YOUR LETTER!

      • jo bunny Says:

        & the last part of it……
        i’ve only written one comment letter myself (for the tobin range round up comment section back in september) & i had to borrow heavily on someone else’s pre-written letter. dig around & see if someone has started working on this….ewa? sowh? adhf??? i’m sure that somewhere there is a sample letter for comments to the blm…will troll the net some more & see if i can find one for us!

        one other thing that i can add….& this is just MY own thing….when i mailed in my comments for the tobin range roundup, i sent it so that the blm had to sign for it when it arrived at their office. that way, i KNEW that they had received it AND by their deadlines, & there was no way they could say that they hadn’t. it was just MY own way of being sure.

        then, after about a month, i received a comment back from them (it cost us taxpayers something over SIX DOLLARS for the BLM to send their comments to our comments). their comments made no sense whatsoever. it seemed to me as if they were repeating what they had already written in the EA, as if their minds were made up about the roundup YEARS before. at least i felt better by getting my comments in, & making them respond. it wasn’t much, but it was at least something. sigh.

  23. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Roger just came in and told me he saw two stock trailers with about a dozen horses in each up in town at a service station. He asked one of the drivers if they had been bringing horses off the range, the guy said they were mustangs. Roger said,”Oh, where are they from?” and the guy said”I am not supposed to say.” and Roger asked where he was taking them and he said the same thing, “I am not supposed to say.” They were headed West, past us on route 160 towards Durango. I wonder if they could be going to Farmington. I will have to ask Patricia, as I will go down there this week. They were all colors, Roger said. There have been adoptions still going on in Canon City but that is North East of us. Mar

  24. Louie Cocroft Says:

    DO WE HAVE TO INCLUDE OUR FULL ADDRESS FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED OFFICIAL? THEY STATE THAT ALL WILL POSSIBLY BE MADE PUBLIC. IS NAME, TOWN AND STATE ENOUGH?

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      Your question about requiring full address. . . I think they are just trying to say BEFORE you include your full address, etc., UNDERSTAND that all this information MAY be made public.

      Therefore, you may wish NOT to include that detail on your letter, only that info which, if made public, would be acceptable to you.

      I THINK that is what they were saying. . . NOT that it was required.

  25. Louie Cocroft Says:

    I GUESS WHAT I’M TRYING TO ASK IS–IS IT LIKE A PETITION, OR IS IT JUST A COMMENT?

  26. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Louie, This is your official response to an action you want to have an effect upon.
    It is opinion and request and criticism. It carries weight (usually) and they have ‘published’ these as part of the official process. Mar

  27. Louie Cocroft Says:

    WOULD IT DO ANY GOOD TO GET THE LICENSE # OF THAT TRUCK AND TRAILER WITH MUSTANGS? STATE POLICE SHOULD BE ALERTED TO ANY ILLEGAL TRANSPORT OF THEM–SOMETIMES THEY ARE ALSO LOVERS OF THESE HORSES.

  28. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    Louie, I asked if he had noticed it and he did not. I would have. But he still did good to look to see if the horses were freeze branded. i would not be surprised if Rock Springs is just too full of horses for the winter to hold them all there. They may be trying to move adoptable animals around. Wish I did know more. I am looking into it. It may be illegal to us, but if they are contracted with BLM or the Forest Service to move them, how do we say they need to be stopped? mar

  29. Louie Cocroft Says:

    RIGHT–JUST THINKING OF ANY WAY TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING DETOURED TO THE BORDER. IS THAT LEGAL ALSO? SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE CHECKED FOR BRAKE SAFETY, TIRE SAFETY, REGISTRATION, ETC. WOULD BUY SOME TIME TO SEE IF, IN FACT, THE HORSES ARE LEGALLY IN THE POSSESSION OF THE PERSON TRANSPORTING THEM–HORSE RUSTLING IS STILL AGAINST THE LAW, I THINK. IT’S GOOD THAT HE THOUGHT TO CHECK FOR BRANDS–I WOULDN’T HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT. IT’S WAY EASIER TO THINK OF THINGS SITTING AT A COMPUTER THAN WHEN ACTUALLY CONFRONTED WITH THEM.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      Louis, you may find this content disturbing, but it is an organization called “Animal Angels”. They are the ones that put themselves in what I consider the absolutely worst hells for the animals, report, observe and take fotos when they can. Somewhere on their website I found, in the past, a form you can use to fill out observations you make while at a truck stop, etc., when you see this type of thing. It is all you need and it is there somewhere on the website which I give you the link. The page this goes to is a list of September “facilities” their volunteers visited and recorded the “goings on”. It is hard news, and very disturbing, but somehow they do it, for the animals!

      http://www.animals-angels.com/index.php?pageID=598

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        I finally got a letter together to send to Senators and Representatives concerning the Moratorium.
        I think Janet said “keep it at a 4th grade level” in regards to another subject but I believe this is good way to go. Too much information and piles of paper had me totally bogged down and too wordy. Been working to simplify. Here it is–

        November 5, 2009

        Senator Bingaman,

        I am writing to you concerning the Wild Horse issue, BLM and The ROAM Bill #1579 that is in the Energy and Natural Resource Committee. I attended the BLM Advisory Meeting held this past September in Arlington Virginia and I am on record commenting as a private citizen. I am not affiliated with any Wild Horse Advocacy groups or humane groups. I have always been interested in the fate of the wild horses and have an adopted BLM mustang who is now over 20 years old and a 2 year old Chincoteague pony. I have come to the conclusion after studying the issues, and being involved with horse ownership for over 50 years, that our country and all of the agencies involved with the wild horses need to have a complete overview of the program both scientifically and with humane compassion for the horses that are our American treasure.

        I see on your New Mexico website the wild horses running free. If the BLM and the Department of Interior continue with the roundups that they are proposing there will be a much damaged remnant of our wild horse heritage left in the wild. The proposal to move the 30,000 plus horses in confinement, east for tourism purposes is one that is hard to take seriously. Can you picture the Assateague beach ponies being moved to New Mexico? When I visit New Mexico I want to see the wild horses that reside in the area that they belong in, not a captive animal in a fenced pasture “Zoo”!

        As a voter, I was pleased when the new administration was elected and for the announcement of transparency that was to ensue. I now ask for that transparency. Actions that I would like are the following:

        1. A Moratorium on all roundups by BLM starting now until there is a congressional investigation of the
        BLM Wild Horse program and presentations to the committee by independent horse specialists, humane organizations and horse advocates.

        2. A reversal of the 2004 Conrad Burns’s rider asserted into the 3,300 page budget-appropriations bill on the eve of the bill’s congressional deadline. This rider removed Federal protection of the horses. A show of good faith by your committee would be to recommend the removal of this anti- Wild Horse rider that has taken all protections away for wild horses and burros that are over the age of 10 or have been offered unsuccessfully for adoption three times. I might add that as a citizen I am very dismayed with an elected official that “sneaks” in stealth bills that would not stand on their own.

        I know there are BIG lobby groups that pressure Congress but I would ask that you look beyond this and help keep our American symbol wild and free.

        If I can be of further help and offer information on this matter I would be glad to come to Washington and speak with a legislative person. I live close to Gettysburg Pennsylvania where over 5,000 horses lost their lives in a great battle. I sincerely hope that this battle saves horses lives. They have given us so much.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

        Sincerely,

  30. Louie Cocroft Says:

    JANET–I PULLED UP THE WEBSITE THAT YOU GAVE FOR ANIMAL ANGELS. YOU’RE RIGHT–THEY DO VENTURE INTO HELL. THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO PROVIDE BETTER JOBS FOR PEOPLE SO THEY DON’T HAVE TO DO SUCH THINGS TO MAKE A LIVING. I DON’T EVER MEAN TO JUDGE. THINGS JUST NEED TO BE CHANGED, SOMEHOW. ALL OF US ON THIS BLOG ARE ON THE “SAME PAGE” AND SEE ANIMALS AS A WONDERFUL GIFT. JUST WISH EVERYONE WOULD. LETTER TO DISTRICT OFFICE IN WINNEMUCCA IS ON IT’S WAY. MINE WAS REAL SHORT AND SIMPLE.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      Well done!

      I agree with you it is sad to think of people having to earn a living hauling horses to slaughter or actually working on slaughter floors.

      I wonder what goes thru the minds of the BLM employees after those horrendous roundups when they are trying to sleep at night. . . I would think they would have PTSD at minimum.

  31. Barbara Steele Says:

    Here are the fax numbers
    House of Representative Committee on Natural Resources 202-225-1931
    Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources 202-224-6163
    for letters calling for a Moratorium, Congressional Investigation(Hearing) and Reversal of Conrad Burns rider
    I sent 2 separate signed letters. Lets flood their faxes!

  32. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Just to let “you all” know there are a couple of interesting new articles on Animal Law Coalition website — click on “Horse Slaughter” category in the left hand column of subjects. The articles are on “The Problem with ROAM” and an article by Sawhook (I think that is the spelling!) Just a “heads up.”

    http://www.animallawcoalition.com/horse-slaughter/article/1085#comments

  33. Mary Ann Simonds Says:

    After 37 years of wild horse ecology studies, it is a sad day that most of all the herds I studied as an undergraduate at the University of Wyoming are now gone or so depleted they have lost their culture. We have have almost succeeded at wiping out all remains of any wild horse culture on the planet. Horses were native to North America, and there is good evidence they never died out until now. Horses belong on the range being managed “naturally” with predators, not humans until humans learn enough about behavioral ecology of horses to ethically and responsibly manage them.

  34. Louie Cocroft Says:

    CAN’T HELP BUT THINK THAT THE PRESSURE ON THE HORSES AND BURROS ISN’T ALL COMING FROM THE RANCHERS–NOT THE SMALL FAMILY RANCHERS. THEY ARE GETTING PUSHED MORE AND MORE, ALSO. I KNOW RANCHERS AND HAVE HEARD OF THEM HAVING TO PAY HIGHER GRAZING FEES, AND LOSING SOME OF THE LAND USE THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ALLOWED TO USE. TO A SMALL RANCHER, THAT MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. SOMETHING BIGGER BEHIND IT ALL. SEEMS AS THOUGH THE LAND IS JUST BEING CLEARED OFF FOR SOME LARGER AGENDA. THE SMALL RANCHERS AND THE WILD HORSE AND BURRO PEOPLE HAD BETTER STICK TOGETHER. GOOD RANCHERS DON’T OVER-GRAZE THE LAND. RANGE MAGAZINE HAS SOME EXCELLENT ARTICLES.

  35. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    True, Louie, But Montana is wild horse poor… Small Ranchers in the Big Horns and south have been hurt by coal methane moving in, fowling water so cattle can’t drink and forcing people to leave for the smell and pollution. Huge initiative announced for alternative energy and yet another pipeline all in Nevada, some of it in Calicos. Very much pressure. Large solar projects all on public land in Nevada. But not enough to displace every horse. It is just an attitude some have been obliged to uphold. Stupidity and greed. mar

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      there are all sorts of Acts and Omnibusae rolling around Congress like giant dung beetle balls with the goal of clearing the way for ENERGY.

      THE GREAT GOD OF ENERGY.

      People could never be asked to use less or conserve –

      P.S. Support shade-grown coffee.

      • jo bunny Says:

        jf, love the simile…..giant dung beetle balls. creates a new & everlasting image of congress for me! thank you!

        oh….& may i suggest that you support ORGANIC FAIR TRADE shade grown coffee??? mmmmmmmm.

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        Janet–Conservation seems to be a dirty word in our government and society. I am a low energy user but when I get on the road and am passed by giant gas hogs I wonder why I bother. Guess the least we can hope for is substanability.

      • jo bunny Says:

        barb, you wonder why you bother & then you remember….you have a brain. you have compassion. you have respect for mother earth, for all of her natural resources, & for all the creatures that live on her now & for the ones who will live here in the future. thank yourself for being so considerate & respectful. set the standards for the rest of them, barb. maybe one day they’ll pay attention! maybe……

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Sustainability is my knight in shining armor on a lovely mustang! mar

  36. Pauline Higgins Says:

    Anything that will help preevent this barbaric slaughter of these beautiful animals (or indeed any of God’s creatures ) is worth fighting for

  37. Louie Cocroft Says:

    MAR–REMEMBER THE OLD STORY–FROM AESOP’S FABLE I THINK–WHILE THE TWO ARE FIGHTING, THE THIRD PARTY SWOOPS IN AND GRABS THE BOUNTY. I KNOW THE ATTITUDE THAT YOU SPEAK OF–I’VE SEEN IT, TOO. MAKES IT ALL THE EASIER TO PLAY ONE AGAINST THE OTHER.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Because this is about a huge ‘land grab’ as well as the future use of public lands it has not been about the smaller ranchers and pressures on them. There are some huge prospects looming and saving what the horses have had is vital before we begin to see the dominance of these alternate energy projects. There is still room, plenty, and if the horses have their water and the fences removed and the HMAs taken off the books with citizens and horse people involved in management, there can be a comeback of the wild horses and burros. It is good to visualize them and work towards that vision. Mar

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        Here is an 1992 article about the corporate “ranchers” on our Public Lands and I don’t believe it has changed . Now we can add the alternative energy into the mix for more land grabbing.

        http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_n7-8_v24/ai_12514447/?tag=content;col1

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        Here is a book “Welfare Ranching” that I will have to get from the library.

        http://www.awionline.org/ht/d/ContentDetails/id/11932/pid/2515

      • Ronnie Says:

        Two books were highly recommended by Craig Downer that I first tried to get from my library system. My vast library consortium did not have them. So I ordered them from Amazon, the only bookseller that I could find that had them. And needed to buy used. Saved a lot of money and they came in great, brand-new condition.

        1)”Waste of the West: Public Lands Ranching,” by Lynn Jacobs. Published, 1991. Over 600 pages. Paperback 8″ X 10 1/2″

        2) “Welfare Ranching: The Subsidized Destruction of the American West,” published, 2002. The back cover: “YOUR LAND IS THEIR FEEDLOT.” Over 340 pages…hardcover 12″ X 12″…HUGE!

        Both are HUGE! Especially, “Welfare Ranching, Hardcover, 12″ X 12”. But great it is huge, for it is filled with very “telling” *photographs of the land, cattle, wild life… Utter devastation. To land, water, ALL wildlife (birds too!), vegetation/flora, … The filth, disease… Dead cattle floating in waterways…rivers… *Politics and *Politicians!! Oh my!

        There are a few pages in both books about wild horses, but when reading of all the wildlife, dying due to barb wire, fenced off from water, etc., the same as for the wild horses.

        These two books together tell the whole story. The history. Excellent reference books…the “bible” of ranching on public lands going back to the late 1800’s!! It is absolutely shocking…and I thought I had been “shocked” enough learning all I have about the DOI, BLM, Forest Service, etc… It is criminal!!!

        After I ordered these books, I wondered why I had. Would I read them. Did I need them? Received them and my answer is YES! YES!

        I highly recommend them for those advocating for wild horses and all wildlife. Reading these books is not “comfy reading.” Not curling up with a good book sort of thing. But I found I could not stop reading for pages and pages, hours! As I said, I was shocked…and angry…and tears too. And I was sickened.

        My cost ordering from Amazon.com:

        1) “Waste of the West,” large & heavy paperback from used book seller Paisleyhaze Books, $14.95 plus $2.99 shipping.

        2) “Welfare Ranching,” large & heavy hardcover from used book seller, The Book Grove, $11.84 plus $3.99 shipping. (New: Sells for $75 hardcover, $45 paperback.)

        I ordered both books Oct. 11, 2009. The used book offerings, cost, can differ due to time factor and availability.

        Grassroots can do it!

        Ronnie

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        Thanks Ronnie for the information. Will check out the used book sites. The initial price on “Welfare Ranching” was quite a bit–will look for some bargains.

  38. Louie Cocroft Says:

    DO YOU THINK THEY WILL TRY TO GET THE CATTLE OFF THE LAND,TOO?

  39. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    The horses land, i hope so.. mar

  40. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Mexico Transport Cost Indicators Report 7 September 9, 2009

    Table 5. U.S. livestock exports to Mexico by border crossings*,
    April – June, 2009 (head)
    Category
    Border Crossing TX NM AZ CA Total
    Beef cattle
    Slaughter 0 0 0 0 0
    Breeding males 155 30 27 0 212
    Breeding females 209 1 173 0 383
    Total beef 364 31 200 0 595
    Hogs
    Slaughter 0 0 0 0 0
    Breeding males 644 0 0 0 644
    Breeding females 642 0 325 0 967
    Total hogs 1286 0 325 0 1,611
    Sheep
    Slaughter lambs 0 0 0 0 0
    Slaughter ewes 15737 0 0 0 15,737
    Breeding males 0 0 0 0 0
    Breeding females 0 0 0 0 0
    Total sheep 15737 0 0 0 15,737
    Dairy cattle
    Breeding males 20 2 4 0 26
    Breeding females 1398 1,054 57 0 2,509
    Total dairy 1418 1,056 61 0 2,535
    Goats
    Angora 0 0 0 0 0
    Spanish 60 0 0 0 60
    Other 0 0 0 0 0
    Total goats 60 0 0 0 60
    Horses
    Slaughter 9,176 1,783 0 0 10,959
    Breeding males 424 171 30 0 625
    Breeding females 595 212 39 0 846
    Geldings 121 70 9 0 200
    Burro/mule/pony 0 0 0 0 0
    Total horses 10,316 2,236 78 0 12,630
    Exotics** 98 0 0 0 98
    Grand total 29,279 3,323 664 0 33,266
    *Weekly AMS data will not necessarily sum to the total U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of Census data
    **Refer to animals that are not included in other categories such as zebras, deer, elephants, and yaks.
    Source: Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS), Livestock and Seed Programs

  41. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    Janet, Marilyn, Louie, Barbara, et al;

    Hi. My name is Lisa and I want to help. Wait. Scratch that. I NEED to help.
    And I don’t want to do it anonymously. I want to do it LOUD and PROUD and with malice aforethought. I’m up to HERE with the BLM and their, er, steer manure politics; I’m tired of waiting for my elected officials to get off their, well, YOU know, and check these muthers out; I wanna strap on my hiking boots and backpack because, in this case, the pen simply AIN’T mightier than the sword.
    I have tried arming myself with and appealing to logic and scientific data and all the pertinent intangibles, but no one ‘important’ will listen. I have written to and emailed and spoken on the phone with Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein (because that’s who I gotta deal with in my neck of the woods) and while they say all the dear and pacifying things l’il horse huggers need to hear, the result is the same – NADA.
    If this sounds like eco-terroism, I apologize; that is not my intent. Zealotry ruins whatever credibilty a cause deserves. But I can’t sit on my back pockets no more while the BLM flouts Federal law, fabricates and skews facts and is accountable to no one. My tax dollars, MY WILD EQUINES.
    My email address is kellisgirl@aol.com. Please contact me if I can help, if you can direct me or if I can offend the BLM in any fashion. For whatever it’s worth, I can turn a pithy phrase and am not afraid to use four-letter admonishments. I enjoy research, especially if it can cast the BLM in the darkest possible light. Feel free to use or abuse me but do not doubt my warrior’s heart beats for these animals.
    Ok! Thanks for listening! ‘Nuf said.

  42. donald landry Says:

    Well sign me up, according to our constitutional laws your local sheriff can block any federal rule applied to us as american citizen. I will give some names of people who study consitutional law. Rubin Leblanc 337-365-3802 ruble70560@yahoo.com

  43. debbie karvonen Says:

    I am so sick of the BLM why are we not able to stop these modern day killers, what more can we do, I hear people like Monte Roberts ,Pat parelli, Richard Shrake all say they are trying to help our wild mustangs and burros where are they then when the Blm are doing there round ups where are they when the Blm are conducting there meetings no offense I am sick of all the bullshit. Please what can we do to help I have mustangs and I love them dearly they are so faithful and smart and beautiful we need to stop the killing and the round ups, we need to stop the BLM. I pray every night judgement day comes soon and all these evil people rot in hell forever.

  44. cheryl Says:

    Please tell me again why we need 60,000 feral horses eating up the US budget?

    Excuse me, but these are not a species, few have any genetic markers going back to the original Spanish horses and, feral horses are not unique. Most are a mixture of horses given to Indian Tribes when the Cavalry disbanded, horses turned out by ranchers and not re-located later or run off from ranches by wild studs and other horses turned loose in hard times. A few bands still have 1 to 3 Spanish genetic markers, but they are some of the ugliest ones around.

    Save a few small herds and keep them at numbers that the desert land they are on can sustain. There are already thousands of them on productive, ranch land in Oklahoma and other states they are not native to. You can see more than a 1000 of them on both side of I-35 between OKC and Dallas on the used-to-be beautiful hay meadows along the Washita River.

    When the Wild Horse Act was enacted, it was another well-intentioned knee-jerk reaction to a legitimate concern. The numbers and a way to maintain them needed to be a part of the act. I think you people that want to keep spending more and more $$$ saving each and every one of them should have a place on their tax return to pay for the whole program and have the funds assessed to their taxes and not to the rest of us that are sick and tired of supporting an endless bunch of useless horses.

    Next, all you do-gooders will want to ‘save’ the feral pigs that are ruining farm and ranch land in several states.

  45. Lisa LeBlanc Says:

    Replying to ‘cheryl’:
    Darling, I’m already taxed near to bankruptcy by programs which have NOTHING to do with the ways me and mine live; my tax dollars already go to fund the land these animals run on, the round-ups and the holding cells the captives live in.
    What I object to, and so should you, is the back-door dealing and out-and-out manure the BLM passes off as scientific fact, and the utter lack of accountability.
    It’s obvious you have no use for wild horses, so no amount of fact or proof is going to change your beliefs. And frankly, I don’t give a damn what you may believe. But check this – the BLM spends millions on their ‘gathers’ while whining endlessly about how expensive it is to keep the ones already in capitivity. And they have accelerated those ‘gathers’, so they are hemmorhaging more of their precious budget. They refuse to explore alternatives to population control because they have contracted ‘vendors’ who provide the gathers. And they’re proposing ‘sanctuaries’ on privately held land at $10,000,000 per diem to the landholders, while increasing stock appropriations on land they purport to be damaged by ‘sky-rocketing’ horse populations.
    It costs about $3000 per horse to ready them for adoption – money that comes out of the BLM budget.
    So if tax money is your chief concern, I’m already providing funding for something I am completely against.
    Now, I can’t be sure if you’re calling wild horses ‘feral pigs’ or if you actually mean ‘feral pigs’ as you seem pretty malevolent where the term ‘horse’ is concerned. Can’t help with the pigs. But if your blood pressure rises as far as the horses are concerned, perhaps you should save your remarks for another forum; there isn’t ANYTHING you could say that we haven’t heard OR that would change what we believe. But for your own well-being, you should keep an eye peeled on the BLM. Because they have no one’s best interests in mind but their own and the wealthy and powerful lobbies they cater to. They violate federal law with impunity and are accountable to no one.
    And THAT you should be very fearful of.

  46. Lmg Bucklan Says:

    Lisa LeBlanc:

    The BLM, by ridding our West of the Wild Herds, using tax-funded and possibly not fully legal roundups/gaterings, is destroying part of our American Heritage.
    Lisa – Your writing is terrific! Have you contacted the Investigative Reporter at the Las Vegas, NV, tv station – KLAS-TV, George Knapp at email: gknapp@KLASTV RE: Stampede to Oblivion
    Phone #702/792-8888

    Share your terrific communicating skills with him and hope a concerted effort against these terrible, costly, unreasonably, and unacceptable roundups must end and the BLM investigated. Also, we should not forget that this is one of George W.’s “droppings” also….along with the Burns Amendment (which was sneaked in at the last moment) and should be VOIDED immediately that took away protections from the 1971 Horse and Burro Act.

    • Lisa LeBlanc Says:

      You, dear Sir, Madam or Madamoiselle, have made my entire week. Thank you so much for your kind praise.
      I just giggled like a 12-year-old.
      I have not contacted Mr. Knapp but I did catch his series on the round-ups; I was ruined for about three days after. But I also thought his series should have gone national.
      I wouldn’t know how to start with a pro or an official – it’s different when communicating with like-minded people who may accept my meanderings in the spirit of intention but I’m always concerned I will come off too radical or, like so many who advocate FOR the round-ups, as the Over-wrought Liberal Horsie Hugger.
      I have tried for nearly a year to find a forum where I could wax angry and horrified at the BLM. It took nearly two months for my first communique on this site to reach Ms. Wango (see above). Which has done nothing to quell my natural paranoia; maybe Big Brother is watching?? I certainly hope so. I would like very much to be considered for a ‘watch list’. This is still My Government. And this particular branch is way past need of a good spanking.
      My apologies. I am apparently incapable of being brief. But again, thank you so much. It means a great deal to me.

  47. Lmeg Bucklan Says:

    Lisa: I don’t like what’s going on or the use of my tax money for this.
    I suggest:
    #1 They want us to go away. Don’t.
    #2 (A BIGGIE) Don’t get emotional; that way you cannot be called “emotional tree hugger” or in the case “Herd.” Words like reasonable, unreasonable to me, acceptable, unacceptable….are all good to use and sound unemotionable.
    Keep writing as you have been. Start with your local newspaper and Mr. Knapp in LAS. Keep your writing brief and to the point.
    Your writing is outstanding. Keep up on the facts and write Mr. Jim Gibbons (the Governor of NV) – and do it NOW. Write the The New Times newspaper in New York City…just get the ‘word’ out there. Phone the newspapers and phone the White House in DC; phone your state Senators; and keep it going. Phone Gov. Gibbons office (but the line is busy & I wonder why?) I do phone.
    Lisa…..a.squeaky wheel gets the most attention first…but, in this case a tax-payer is both inquiring and objection to what the present situation is.
    Don’t go away as they want and leave them unaccountable for their policies….that are real killers.
    Also:
    Tonight, Friday, Ken Salazar (Sec. of Int./ Obama appt’ed) was on site of the roundups along with Mrs. M. Pickens’ and her three personal helicopters, and she “stated that it would be better to leave the herds free and instead of going to the Amazon Rain Forest to see natural beauty, tourists would come to NV $$$$$$ to see the wild herds.) You may remember that she offered a solution of her taking the herds to land she would buy and let them run free; she was turned down twice by the Government. I did some research into WHY she was turned down to take these herds; this is what I found out. She wants the Gov. to pay her $500 per head amounting to roughly millions of $$$, and then she and hers would have the rights on these lands to drill/or mine for any resources that may or may not be there. This was awhile ago…now.
    I do not know anything further that happened between her and Salazar from today. But, Salazar did state and showed picture/film of horses thin and down (a horse on the ground is not a good thing, Lisa); Salazar went on to say that some people don’t know that this is not about their attack on our American Heritage and that, if left alone, these herds will starve and damage the land. He DID NOT mention anything about the cattle nos. far outnumbering the herds or anything re the RUBY Pipeline. I must say too that for a 5th generation rancher he looked “like he had just had a facial and a manicure” on the monitor – so how “hands on” is he with this, and his contractors who get roughly $610 per animal they capture?

    Next:

    I just received a response, banal at best, from my state rep.; she said
    “in July 2009 a bill introduced by Rep. Nick Rahall of WV passed in the House of Rep. 7/17/09. This measure amends the Wild Free Roaming Horses and Burros Act to improve the management and long-term health of wild free roaming horses and burros. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the the bill cost will be $700 million and you know in our present economic situation countrywide”.blah, blah, blah……

    I was disappointed in her response and I have responded with my thinking as follows:

    The current management of the w.hs. is not the their best interest (welfare), but it is in the best interest of the special interest groups…cattlemen (welface ranching), oil…etc. These horses do not appear unhealthy. (Have you seen them? I have. Recently, a black stallion demonstrated his “POOR” health condition by jumping out of a 5-6 ‘ holding pen and running like the wind.) Theses equine cannot vote or protect themselves from those who find them “inconvenient” and want them all gone, leaving more room for cattle and other private interests such as the Ruby Pipeline…Terrorizing these equine with low-flying helicopter roundups, holding pens, and some entities wanting them shipped to MX/CA for slaughter is in NO WAY serving their long-term good health, but demonstrates that the greed of special interests is alive and well. It costs next to nothing to leave these equines where they have lived for centuries. Like the American Native Indians’ lands, these equine are having their lands taking away from them, and it has little to do with their health. The projected $700 million is not necessary because it is not needed. Fertility control is acceptable, if used, and the lands given to these horses/burros returned to them; or they, too, like the American Native Indians, will be barely surviving, contained, if they survive at all. Bob Abbey/Ken Salazar “ideas” need to be reviewed and a moratorium put on all gatherings immediately. Have you watched a roundup? The cruelty, maiming, terrorizing, shootings, deaths then the penning of survivors is not conducive to any living creature’s well being (or good health.) These roundups are an excuse for greed and an attack on our American Heritage! And, who is profiting from these roundups? Management by ultimate murder seemingly is the goal to get rid of these herds. Little, by little, down the road to the end with death…..Thank you and I hope you will look further beyond what is being said by some in a room and look at these herds yourself.”””””””

    Lisa, also, I have heard nothing further regarding the Black Stallion – Freedom- who jumped over the holding pen 5-6′ fence and ran (for his life). I can’t help but wonder what has happened to that beautiful creature. The contractor’s lost $$$600 (per animal) and gained bad publicity for the herd roundups. I am concerned with my negative thoughts as to what may have happened to him…e.g., shot somewhere in private to get rid of him and punish him….The horse disappearing thing”””” or maybe he died from the cuts to his chest when he hit the barb wire by bleeding to death. I really want to know, and I plan to phone around starting with LASTV reporter, George Knapp. This route that this stallion took did not improve the Programs reputation, to speak, so what has happened to him? God knows.

    Keep up your wonderful writing. I am in Central Florida. Upon inquiring here, I have found no planned peaceful picketing on this issue. I’ve said it many times before, and I’m saying it again: People are not aware of these tax-funded huge roundups; and the cruelty and greed involved; and, the profiting entities involved. This information needs to be spead to the Public Masses…..this is not going away as there is too much $$$ involved here.
    Regards,
    On other issue:
    When last in Europe, everyone called me “Madam” and I was about to scream by the time I left….it just sounds like some fat old woman with too much make up on and too many baubles….ugh!
    I am a older Frau of 5’6″ and 124lb. A real danger!

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      L.Meg, This is from Elyse Gardner, Humane Observer Blog, January 26th but just posted the 29 or 30. This is about Freedom;

      Let’s move on to Freedom. With all the talk of his potential capture and the different stories flying around, we needed to assess whether Freedom was in captivity at Fallon.

      Now let me say that Craig Downer and I spent four hours at the Fallon holding facility on Tuesday, 1/26/10. We did two guided tours. (Fallon has to be by appointment because it is a privately-owned facility. They have two 2-hour tours, one from 10:00 to noon, and one from 1:00 to 3:00 pm. ) At first they did not want to let our little group of four go on both tours, but we finally got that worked out.

      Craig and I each brought binoculars and meticulously combed through the stallions’ pens, scrutinizing every black horse. We are well acquainted with the courageous Freedom and after examining every black stallion on the premises, we are both satisfied that Freedom is, thankfully, not at Fallon. We understand it is possible to imagine all kinds of mischief that BLM or the contractors could do or have done, but we honestly believe they are just too busy catching other horses and really don’t care that much about this issue. Unless they go back to capturing horses at Black Rock East (Paiute Meadows Ranch), we believe Freedom to be free in his home.

      I managed to track all the rumors to their sources and personally spoke with the BLM person whom George Knapp called his “solid” source. I did not find the story to be solid. You decide.

      She heard some boastful-type talk which she repeated to George Knapp but never saw any evidence of truth to it. Call me a dreamer, but I do not sense a conspiracy here. She invited us to go scrutinize the horses in Fallon and see if he was there, which is what we did. I hope one day we will see Freedom in the wild. If I am close enough, I will recognize him. Until that day comes, I will not conjure up definitive evidence I do not have one way or the other. With all the facts we have at hand, and all the rumor-tracking we’ve done, both Craig Downer and I believe he still maintains the freedom and liberty he so dearly paid for.

  48. Lmeg Bucklan Says:

    TO: cheryl Says
    Next, all you do-gooders will want to ’save’ the feral pigs that are ruining farm and ranch land in several states.

    I am sick and tired of paying for other people who overspend their credit, overbuy a home that shortly they cannot pay for; I am furious that people who cannot afford or take care of their offspring continue to produce them to become ‘images’ of themselves who I will forced again continue to support with my tax money. If you don’t have the money, don’t buy it. If you cannot afford a McMansion, do not take the mortgage out. If you cannot afford to continue to expand the number of kids you already have, don’t expect me to pay for them. This earth’s biggest source of pollution is over-human population, and this is what is killing this planet. That is a fact. It has nothing to do with equine.
    Read a book, if you can.

  49. jomarie burns Says:

    just let the horses go, that is my plea, they deserve to live free and be free. and not kept in pens forever. let the stallions go and be with their mares and babies.

  50. vialia contini Says:

    its, a crieng out loud shame,,a vergogna,,i cavalli,,hurds,sofew,,,ofthe 1once ,,bieing approched,,by helis,,get the balance backin the world,,,,conciddering,,,,,,,,for crieing,,,no let the horse,,no let the documentary speaks for itselfs,,,,,,its so clear,,,ther is no motive,,no ending,so no beginning,,joi,,forces,,through,,,,,,the ability,,,the name human race,,,rzza umano,,,,,,,wdo we have to learn over and over again out of history what allready know,!!!thats why history,,,wont ever get written,,,with ll the goodies,cp,tv,electic,,,…….rescue,,give word meaning,,,,,,save these wonderful,,,few,,,,,horses,,america,,,common,,,your nation,,,so proud to be americanwhatever,,,,stop,,,,,,look,,,allthink has een sad,,,pictures,,agony,hurt speaks for itself,,..think,,about,,the balance,,its allabout it,,in life,,restore,,give nature back,,to what it is,,dserves,,needs,,like w need water,,,we are nature,,,w speak,too many languases,,and stil w dont communicate,,,look at the animals 1spoken true!no rules,,,1world,1language,,1nature,,make the circle roun,by feeling,feeding,,,,,,,healing,,,,please..

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