Stampede to Oblivion- take it nationwide

From Vicki Tobin:

Hi, all. I contacted KLAS-TV to find out what their policy is on other stations airing Knapp’s report. They have reciprocal agreements with all CBS affiliates. All other networks can call KLAS-TV to get information on running the program.

We should all start calling our local stations to air the report. The more calls, the better chance we have of getting this much needed information out to the public. I’m sure you all agree that the I-Team report, The Stampede to Oblivion, was outstanding. It was factual and the most informative media segment we’ve seen on what is really going on behind the extinction of our wild horses and burros.

In addition, the person I spoke to said that CNN has aired some of their reports so that is another media we should also include in our calls. I would also include WGN (Chicago-773.528.2311). They broadcast on cable throughout the country.

If the stations want to contact the KLAS-TV newsroom, the number is 702.792.8870.

Please cross post this far and wide and ask everyone to start calling their local stations

Watch the one hour investigative report here

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52 Responses to “Stampede to Oblivion- take it nationwide”

  1. J.T. Quinn Says:

    just talked to KLAS-TV, if you want copies of “The Stampede to Oblivin”you can call 702-646-1415. First copy is $78.25, extra copies are $15.00 plus shipping.

  2. Morgan Williams Says:

    I sent an email to Valerie Kennedy in Chicago, asking if she has already contacted WGN.

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      Valerie is speaking to WGN today (Wednesday). With Valerie’s clout in the media, she will be able to get directly to right people at the top.

  3. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    TCF, This should get interesting with George Knapps report buzzing around Washington. mar

  4. Mary Says:

    George has also indicated to me that they will be selling dubs of the show for a nominal fee for anyone who wants it on DVD very soon

  5. Morgan Williams Says:

    Please go watch this video on a recently rescue Mustang Stallion. The stallion was bound for slaughter.

    • jan eaker Says:

      Thank you for this, what an incredible horse! He so wanted another carrot, didn’t he??? one of my horses makes the exact same face when I scratch just the right spot, with their capacity to love and trust, horses really put humans to shame,
      thanks again for this,

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      Nice video! Thanks so much for posting.

      Here’s a link (elsewhere, too) to an area where they SAY they are managing for 60 burros. thought of you right away! ha

      http://www.fs.fed.us/rangelands/ecology/wildhorseburro/territories/BigBear.shtml

      this is the forest service link —

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Jan,

        Thanks. I have to wonder about the US Forestry Service now after the ‘under the radar’ roundup of mustangs in North Dakota (starting today).

        This is the site sent to me:
        http://www.wildburrorescue.org/

        I contacted the organization and found them legit

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Morgan, re USFS:

        Go to http://www.mustangcamp.blogspot.com/

        read her August 29, 2009 entry – here’s part of it:

        “The USFS is not totally on top of their mustang program. Moldy hay, no personnel to take care of them specifically, a lack of pens. Many of the horses are sick with a respiratory infection (probably caused by the hay) but there is no one trying to medicate them – you have to feed them the drug with their grain, but they won’t eat grain. The recently cut geldings need some exercise, but Anthony just makes them run fast around the roundpen for a few minutes and destroys any trust we had created in them. I gave back the night feeding chores to Anthony yesterday, but he must have forgotten it’s his job tonight… don’t worry I fed them all. The USFS is supposed to get some contracts awarded for the facility, some new hay, and a stall cleaner/feeder, but the contracting officer is ignoring the situation. I requested some training pens and Anthony told me that the contract for gentling doesn’t mandate provision of pens. Hmmmm…. odd, where are we supposed to train?”

        I have sent this to so many places including http://www.animallawcoalition, pryormustang blog, and this blog. It is a real scary post from someone I think is in New Mexico training Mustangs.

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      A total aside here … I know lots of people are hooked on natural horsemanship, which is cool. But I have a friend who worked briefly with mustangs with clicker training, and it’s a very powerful way to connect with these animals.

      You see how interested Nelson is in the carrot. He’s motivated by food and warms up to the person with food to offer. If clicker trained, he would be taught “table manners” — not to mug people for treats. He’d be taught that the appropriate behavior is rewarded and other behaviors are ignored. This thought process is great for animals that have never been handled and may not have positive associations with gadgets like ropes, halters, lunge whips, etc.

      Using positive reinforcement really appeals to the horse’s natural inteliigence and sense of curiosity “What is it that gets me the carrot?””What happes if I do it again? ” So, they really get a chance to think it all through with beautiful ,long term results.

      I use this method with my domestic horses, and they have wonderful ground manners, they’re confident and they’ve begun to offer behaviors without constant clicking and treating. It’s so cool!

      Just a thought for those who may consider adopting one of these wild horses and wanting a different approach.

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      Been posting this “forever” to whoever will listen: Go to:

      http://www.mustangcamp.blogspot.com/

      and read August 29, 2009 re USFS and mustang program. Here’s part of that entry:

      The USFS is not totally on top of their mustang program. Moldy hay, no personnel to take care of them specifically, a lack of pens. Many of the horses are sick with a respiratory infection (probably caused by the hay) but there is no one trying to medicate them – you have to feed them the drug with their grain, but they won’t eat grain. The recently cut geldings need some exercise, but Anthony just makes them run fast around the roundpen for a few minutes and destroys any trust we had created in them. I gave back the night feeding chores to Anthony yesterday, but he must have forgotten it’s his job tonight… don’t worry I fed them all. The USFS is supposed to get some contracts awarded for the facility, some new hay, and a stall cleaner/feeder, but the contracting officer is ignoring the situation. I requested some training pens and Anthony told me that the contract for gentling doesn’t mandate provision of pens. Hmmmm…. odd, where are we supposed to train?

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Janet, Jo Bunny found this and gave it to me. We will be visiting there. Please do not call them or the blogger. OK? We do not want to make anyone defensive. I had hoped to keep this quiet. I already know some things and do want to get photos and see horses. Let’s not say any more. OK mar

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        I just found this on the USFS website. Very interesting how they view the origin of wild horses in the Americas. Very different from the BLM and NPS feral description.

        http://www.fs.fed.us/rangelands/ecology/wildhorseburro/whb_faqs.shtml

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Barbara, yes, they even say that the Spaniards “reintroduced” them. And they talk about mountain lion predation. mar

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        No problem, “Wargo!”

        I have a great respect for the people working with these horses, their sacrifice every day of energy, time, and just plain worry! I feel the blogger is probably very young, and not aware of how her concerns expressed her could affect things. Hopefully for the better! Looked like they were competent trainers, just short of help and care that should have been there for the horses. . .

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Barbara,
        That origin of Mustangs on the USFS website you posted is great reading. Now as long as the “creationists” (lol) don’t get to this and change everything to agree with some bigwigs version of the history of the Mustangs!!!

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        JF, You and Morgan just seem to take whatever I say wrong. I do not mean anything personal. I have no other way to tell you but right here. I beg your pardon. I am assuming nothing without seeing the place. You give this trainer the benefit of a doubt, you might do the same here. mar

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        “Margo” I meant to say. . . that is what I call you. . .Marilyn Wargo shortened to. . “Margo” But it came out “wargo” due to enfeebled brain.

        I do not understand how I can possibly have given you the impression in my comment that I was being sarcastic or argumentative with your request! Beg Pardon, Keep on Bloggin — I read ’em all!!!!!

        See, the thing is, these people posted some youtube videos and looked good as for training ability, just that the condition of feed, etc., looked bad. That’s all I meant.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Sorry JF, morgan rattled me cage. It is OK. These people have horses right after roundup, for gentling. Some are not freeze branded. Bad. Not the trainer’s fault. Good hay did arrive.. But some rough jerks there. We will be there tomorrow. I want people to know stuff, just not here for all of it. mar

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Barbara, So nice to have ‘reintroduced instead of feral’!! mar

  6. Linda H Says:

    This was on the web today. A roundup is scheduled near Hawthorn, NV starting Friday. Here is the article. They were so kind to publish the PR person with his phone number. Call him today!
    http://www.recordcourier.com/article/20091014/NEWS/910149991/1062&ParentProfile=1049

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      I called. First talk to receptionist. She was very nice and told me she buys all her kosher cheese make in Wisconsin. She paged BLM Public Affairs Officer Mark Struble for me. Spoke to him for about 1/2 hour. He said I was only the second caller. He was seemed very pleasant and open to listening to me but did suggest that I talk to Alan Sheppherd directly.

      Mark will be an observer at the roundup along with an independent news photographer named Mickal Heatrick (spelling may be wrong). I gave him lots of information on how to be a GOOD observer, i.e. watch for humane handling, no abuse, no injuries, no orphaned foals, no cattle prods. He is using the term ‘long term pasture’ and I suggested that he, as just a concerned citizen, go view a BLM long term holding pen for himself and then see how to describe the scene.

      The round up contracter is Karen Cook. I told Mark just how bad that was.

      The round up is due to severe draught conditions and private land owners fencing off water supplies and only wanting to allow a certain amount of Mustangs the ability to travel to water holes. The private land owner is The Flying M.

      Mark said he has to find out how many cattle are grazing on the same land as the Mustangs. Cattle which are being allowed rights to the water holes on private land.

      The last round up was in 2004.

      All released mares will be given PZP. I explained to Mark what could happen to the Garfield Flats Mustangs is they are reduced to 85 – 125 head. No foaling, natural deaths, possibility of illness deaths, predators, lighting strike, continued draught, thirst, hunger from competition, etc. Then there could be no herd at all.

      Mark said that the roundup is very close to the BLM Palamino Processing Center. Adoption event should be take place soon.

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      Mark and I even discussed American wildlife as a whole, public lands and National Parks. We talked about what Las Vegas used to look like and how the Colorado River was dammed just to supply the population growth created by the Hollywood and gambling industries. We agreed on the tremedous damage done to wildlife and human life since the Hoover dam was built.

      I hope he is mulling over things we talked about and his position.

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      Hey Linda,

      Just a suggestion on phone calling with Mark Struble. I do not mean to insult anyone’s intelligence or years of advocacy experence!

      I would caution people to be real relaxed and even toned. First thing I told him was that was not from the media nor any organziation. I was just a concerned citizen. I was SO impressed to be able to talk a BLM person (in any paid position). I extended a lot of courtesy, especially since I could hear the honesty in his words. It was like “don’t shoot the messenger. I am just a press agent”.

      Note on the North Dakota forestry service roundup. It starts on Monday. 90 mustangs will be removed. I quickly called the Nakota Horse Conservancy this morning but they don’t have much time to talk.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        Did you see this post of mine from earlier on the North Dakota roundup as per discussion on Howling radio show?

        Basically action is being taken, and last night one of the moderators or guests (I haven’t been listening to these programs long enough to figure out who is talking) was going to contact a resident to contact the elected officials of the state to be alerted to what is going on. (as emphasis was placed on fact that the request for saving the horses should be coming from a resident of the state)

        Felt House of Representatives might be able to take immediate action on this, since horses were connected to Black Hills/monuments/1905 Antiquities Act, etc.

        The “monument” portion of designation was discussed; Ginger went on their website (the Theodore Roosevelt National Park) and determined the word, “monument” wasn’t used on website. Also noted the Nokotas were referred to as “feral.” Not featured as a highlight of the park.

        One of the state elected officials, above, where the Nokota horses are, is also on the Energy and Natural Resources Committtee, among others his name is Byron Dorgan. The other two mentioned were Kent Conrad and Earl Pomeroy. (sp?)

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Jan F.

        I don’t know if you was you, but there was post last week reminding us all about the roundup in North Dakota quickly coming up. You (or someone) mention Nakota Mustangs. I called the Nakota Horse Conservancy last week and spoke to Frank for an hour. I reported back to everyone on the blog about the conversation. Maybe my report is 2 pages back?

        This roundup of the Mustangs was mentioned on Howling Radio last night. I tried to call in but did not make it. I called the Cloud Foundation and told them everything Frank Kuntz had told me. The moderator of Howling Radio knows about Frank and his brother. They have been working to save the Nakota Mustangs for over 30 years. I will be speaking to Frank again at the end of the month – at his request – to find out how the roundup went with the US Forestry Service and the adoption event. Christine gave me certain questions to ask about what legislation Frank may already be working on in North Dakota.

      • Janet Ferguson Says:

        This is amazing teamwork. You guys were all talking about the Forest Service, and I was on Facebook lusting after the Nokotas and just happened to see the announcement on the Facebook page, didn’t think it was a big deal but posted it because there was something about Forest horses!!

        I am so impressed. Just sent the whole shebang to a friend who has lots of horse contacts. . . maybe they can help spread the word. This is a travesty this slaughter and the fact that the d*&%committee has been sitting on the legislation (not ROAM, but the transport one) for so d*&( long it is really a crock!!! I have spoken.

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        Here is what the USFS says about wild horses and the term “feral” isn’t there! I posted this on another topic but think it should be passed around (before it might just disapear!)http://www.fs.fed.us/rangelands/ecology/wildhorseburro/whb_faqs.shtml

      • Barbara Steele Says:

        http://www.fs.fed.us/rangelands/ecology/wildhorseburro/whb_faqs.shtml

  7. jo bunny Says:

    don’t forget that tomorrow (thursdae, 15 october) is the last day to get pam nickoles’ dvds at a discount AND have $10.00 from the sale of each dvd to be donated to the cloud foundation!
    there is an earlier post on this website or you can go to pam nickoles website to learn more
    http://nickolesphotography.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/fundraiser-for-the-wild-horses/

    her photos are outstanding!!!

  8. Frank Martinez Says:

    The George Knapp special report is very well done, and shows just what goes on in the “gathers”. Craig Downer’s commentaries are real eye-openers! Thanks to all who continue to work so hard and selflessly for the benefit of the wild horses.

  9. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Where did I hear that the turkey producers and pro horse slaughter.

    Thanksgiving’s coming right up.

  10. Christine Says:

    I’ve been able to buffer some of George’s video, and find it very appropriate that the soundtrack to some of it is the theme for Rohan (aka the Realm of the Horse Lords) from the Lord of the Rings. The Rohan scenes always made me wish I’d been living in New Zealand with my mustang at the time of the filming. I still miss him so much. 😥

  11. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Can anyone who has watched the investigative report tell me if there are images of slaughter on it? I am afraid to watch it.

    • Christine Says:

      There are pictures of horses who’ve been shot on the range.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      JF, There are some bad things in a slaughter house and you can put your hands over the screen or your face. They warn you in the start. The dead horses on the range are sad. But the killing is shocking. 99% is OK so be careful and look away. You may cry anyway. You got to see it. Mar

  12. Barbara Ellen Ries Says:

    Speak even muted ones.

    I speak for our American Wild horses ~ they are our National Treasure to ROAM in freedom as a symbol of our freedom for man/animal to conserve of our natural beauty and ethical values of altruistic love.

    Nature & Equines are our birth right ~ including the ancient bond with the dawn horse (our USA Mustangs.)

    I support views of Dr Patricia Haight, Julianne French, John Muir and President Teddy Roosevelt, Velma Johnson and PBS and Executive Director of the Cloud Foundation, as well as Ginger Kathrens views as my views for these pristine centurions.

    I will continue to assist these Wild Horse and speak of Wild Horses as companions, as history and to connection to our spirits of unconditional love.

    Will man break their ancient bond with history ~ time will only tell. I truly hope NOT!!

    Wild Horses are not hobby horses to be tossed in a cart when we are done with their use.

    I don’t understand why we always abuse them, destroy them or ship them. We do this to anything we hold near and love and later build a fake statue to an old memory. We don’t want to kill the Spirit of the West.

    Maybe Wild Horses are just to be looked at and we need to uphold a value of trust, courage, pride we will allow an wild horse to set the pace for ethical values rather humans weaknesses and destruction.

    If we destroy the horses we are the next large mammal in the food chain ~ our we next? Let’s not shot our chain of life in the heads or the foot.

    Sterilizing love is not way to keep Wild horses as a species alive but only to manage them into Extinction. We will lose as to loss a being of nature.

    We can even buy back again in the future. They will be long GONE.

    We are all connected in the chain of life ~ we harm Wild horses ~ we harm ourselves.

    We need to do better than this~~~~Barbara Ellen Ries
    Thank you Wild Horse Advocates

  13. jan eaker Says:

    if anyone is interested, this is a link to the BLM website with gather numbers and areas planned for the coming year, also LTH areas numbers, STH area numbers, lots of statistical information,
    http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/wild_horse_and_burro.html

    • Janet Ferguson Says:

      They have a big problem totalling their statistical reports in any meaningful way.

      From listening to the Advisory Reports on these issues, I have noticed they are working real hard on their statistics lately.

      Yes, sarcasm welcomed here.

  14. Janet Ferguson Says:

    I am sorry I didn’t find this article until now. But, better late than never

    http://www.laobserved.com/intell/2009/09/barack_obama_yom_kippur_chief.php

  15. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Sent this to editor of above article by Stillman:

    Diane Stillman’s article from September 27, 2009, coincided with a “public meeting” held by the BLM Advisory Committee in Arlington, VA. Several members of The Cloud Foundation (www.thecloudfoundation.org) attended with a large group of other interested citizens, who then spent the following day attending their event, “Mustangs on the Hill.” A Crow Elder attended with The Cloud Foundation.

    The reason I am telling you this, is because, if you will re-read her article you will see that she was unaware at the time of the pronoucement that would be made by Interior Secretary Salazar and his proposal to put the excess horses, stallions gelded and mares separated, to live out their lives on preserves in the east and west, leaving only a few “cameo” herds in the West.

    As the scourge of roundups continues, I would urge you to contact Deanne Stillman and ask her for a follow up article in light of this latest development.

    There has been a loud outcry against Salazar’s plan and a great deal of fear that he will step in an run roughshod over the future of the legislation, passed by a wide margin in congress, sitting in a subcommittee of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, S.B. 1579, which will give land back to the horses and demand a more competent and humane way to manage these remaining herds in the wild.

    I sincerely hope you will continue to offer this type of journalism as Deanne Stillman has provided and encourage more of it.

    Sincerely,

    Janet Ferguson

  16. Marilyn Wargo Says:

    JF, They may ask her for a follow up. She should comply if it was so close in time of publication and Salazar’s announcement. It does cause confusion for those who read her piece and then hear the other news. Mar

  17. Barbara Ellen Ries Says:

    As a Horse Advocate and social worker I can speak for those who can’t speak even muted ones.

    I speak for our American Wild horses ~ they are our National Treasure to ROAM in freedom as a symbol of our freedom for man/animal to conserve of our natural beauty and ethical values of altruistic love.
    Nature & Equines are our birth right ~ including the ancient bond with the dawn horse ~ our USA Mustangs.

    I support views of Dr Patricia Haight, Julianne French, John Muir and President Teddy Roosevelt, Velma Johnson and PBS and Executive Director of the Cloud Foundation, as well as Ginger Kathrens views as my views for these pristine centurions.

    I will continue to assist this Wild Horse and speak of Wild Horses as companions, as history and to connection to our spirits of unconditional love.

    Will man break their ancient bond with history ~ time will only tell.
    I truly hope NOT!!

    Wild Horses are not hobby horses to be tossed in a cart when we are done with their use.

    I don’t understand why we always abuse them, destroy them or ship them. We do this to anything we hold near and love and later build a fake statue to an old memory. We don’t want to kill the spirit of the West.
    Maybe Wild Horses are just to be looked at and we uphold a value of trust, courage, pride we will allow an animal to set the pace for ethical values rather humans weaknesses and destruction.
    If we destroy the horses we are the next large mammal in the food chain ~ our we next?

    Let’s not shot our chain of life in the heads or the foot. Sterilizing love is no way to keep Wild horses as a species alive but only to manage them into Extinction. We will lose as to loss a being of nature. We can even buy back again in the future. They will be long GONE. We are all connected in the chain of life ~ we harm Wild horses ~ we harm ourselves.

    We need to do better than this and I volunteer efforts to keep Wild Horse Spirits alive.
    Barbara Ellen Ries

    Thank you C. MacDonald and Ginger Kathrens for your dedication & information. The BLM needs to remain open to Wild Horse Advocates feedback and desire to keep their future fertile.

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