Pryor Adoption Information and Photos

UPDATED **  Please let us know if you are planning on coming to the adoption at Britton Springs, near Lovell, WY. More details from BLM on the adoption are available here. Photos and ID #’s of the horses are available here. The corresponding list of names/bands to horse tag numbers is now available here. The adoption will take place on September 26th and you can view the horses on Friday 8-8 and Saturday starting at 8am. Please read the adoption regulations online here. The Pryor Mountain Wild Mustang Center put together directions to Britton Springs here. You will need a safe trailer without dividers and you should fax your adoption application into the Billings BLM office prior to the adoption for approval. Keep fighting for the return of the older horses!

Ichilay- September 2008 filly. Taken away from the wild with her entire band

Ichilay- September 2008 filly. Taken away from the wild with her entire band

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39 Responses to “Pryor Adoption Information and Photos”

  1. Christine Says:

    Would it be possible to get a list of numbers with names of the horses? I know most of the youngsters probably won’t keep theirs, but it would be nice to put names to faces of the older horses at least.

    I still wish I could be there, at least as moral support or something.

    • thecloudfoundation Says:

      I can work on a list that gives the names to correspond with the BLM numbers– these horses are far more than necktag numbers, so that is a great idea.

      • Jaime Johnson Says:

        I think that this is a wonderful idea Christine! One of the most amazing aspects of the documentaries about Cloud is the naming of the “wildlife”; it gives people such a personal connection!

      • jo bunny Says:

        fyi, it looks like matt did a chart with this info….just added it to his post from the 17th. some of the names look a little different……stiles??? probably one of the blm names for the horses???
        matt has them organized by their harem as well as subherd & includes markings & birth year in there, too.

        bo has 8 members of his band being removed….trigger has 9 removed……conquistador 5…….shane 6.

  2. Morgan Williams Says:

    That is one pretty face. I still see a spark in her eyes, but also a plea for help.

  3. Morgan Williams Says:

    All those photos. I do not see a spec of forage anywhere. Not a whisp of hay of anywhere. It’s a wonder they don’t all colic. They are used to constant grazing and being on the move.

    This is one of the lowest cuts of all. Rip them from their ranges. Brutalize them with 90 degree heat round ups that completely spend their energy and internal resources. Pen them up. Listen to their bellies ache for food. Shackle them from reaching forage they could easily get to if set free. Undernourish the mares so they cannot supply their foals with an adequate amounts of milk. Stir up anger between them all as they fight for food when it is finally provided. Force the Mustangs to use their basic, primal instincts when seperated from the well organized bands they knew so well.

    The things I could do or say to these mindless, heartless, greedy, soul-less humans if I was not a person of self control and higher standards.

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      You know, this is one of my biggest peeves with horse keeping, whether it’s wild horses or domestic ones.

      There’s so much talk about dominance in herds, based on how they supposedly act when they’re together. In reality (at least in my experience) humans create these intense artificial situations where horses have no choice but to push each other — then have the nerve to say “See, horses have a strong instinctual pecking order.” But with plenty of space in which to move and enough food to eat do they act like this? Not that I’ve witnessed.

      Morgan — I totally hear you. I really feel for these poor horses. If I didn’t know where my next meal was coming from, I’d get pretty cranky, too. Prison brings out the worst in any living being. Horses are no exception.

      In a balanced environment, conflict is really very minimal. Aggression is to the point and usually short-lived. It’s when humans throw horses off balance by penning them up with strangers in small spaces and feeding them willy-nilly that behavior problems like food aggression and hostility start to show up. Otherwise, they generally behave very much like a caring family rather than a top-down, rigid hierarchy.

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        You know your equines Nora.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        And I’m not even a “horse expert” — like the folks at the BLM! LOL 🙂

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Nora, you jest… right? BLM and horse expert is an oxymoron. You know that I am sure.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        Yes, of course I’m just kidding!

        Glad my sense of humor is still intact. The flooding you may have heard about on the news in Georgia was centered in the area where we keep our horses. The pasture turned into a raging river and the barn was under 2 – 3 feet of water.

        ALL OF THE HORSES ARE OK. Soggy but OK. The older horses moved the herd to higher ground. What an amazing family!

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Nora:

        I am so sorry to hear that you are located in all the Georgia and Tennessee flooding! I read about this yesterday. Then, this morning the missing toddler was declared dead. My heart and prayers go out to the parents. The family will need much help & compassion after seeing this little one wash away and not being able to stop the terror.

        Glad to know your herd is doing well and used their God given skills to take care of each other.

        I hope you and your family are all okay and hopefully your home will survive this too.

      • Marilyn Wargo Says:

        Nora, Glad you are all OK , sorry you got flooded, it sounds devastating. The penning is a cruel aftermath to the roundup stress. Horses are suffering. The ‘caretaker’ sounds like an indifferent kid. The visitors have depended upon who came out during the designated times. And the Vet and team. They would have to be gelding those horses, it is like no one wants to tell us. Mar

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        Thanks for the good thoughts. Horses are all well.

        We’ve taken in some friends who lost their house in the flood. It’s been like a slumber party here!

        As for the wild horses … knowing how much I do on a daily basis to care for a herd of 13 tame animals, I just can’t see how BLM “caretakers” can possibly keep up with the basic needs of these captive horses. There’s no way to do it humanely — at least as I understand the word “humane.”

        I’ve seen first hand what food aggression is like and what kind of hostility develops between horses in small spaces. I’ve seen horribly unsocialized horses — the stress they’re under and the stress they cause the rest of the herd. These problems don’t just happen. They develop into hard-to-address behavior patterns that didn’t need to be there in the first place.

        We’ve worked really hard to minimize “problem situations” at the place where we keep our horses.

        The Washington suits need to spend a day with those of us who actually take care of horses properly to see how it can be done better at BLM holding facilities!!!

    • Nikki Says:

      You do know they are fed right? The BLM does not let them sit and starve. I’m not going to argue with the people on this board. I just want to put the TRUTH out there.

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Nikki,

        No one wants to argue. We all want to keep our focus in the right place. We need to stop the bleeding of misspent taxpayer dollars, save the remaining American wild roaming Mustangs and desert burros, restoring ALL the wild & penned up equines back to their 1971 protected lands, conservation of Americas public lands and maintaining America’s great National Parks. No one wants to see death of an American icon, destruction of our wildlife & their habitats, foreign countries taking over our American countryside and industries, special interest groups speaking for all Americans, and so forth.

        Just for your information, here are a few examples of Mustangs starving to death or nearly to death. There are also factual reports of BLM & Park Service workers shooting Mustangs or little desert Burros. These articles are, of course, just the tip of a large iceburg – like the majority of the iceburg was underwater that sunk the ‘unsinkable’ Titanic

        http://www.wildhorsepreservation.com/resources/burros.html

        http://rtfitch.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/3-strikes-ranch-owner-gets-delay-in-horse-neglect-trial/
        Rancher who ‘buys’ Mustangs from BLM in large lots

        http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=15005
        Jason Hein arrest

  4. Regina Says:

    From what I can see, Cloud’s group are the horses from the Sykes area? His brother is from Sykes or Burnt Timber? Anyone know? The horses from outside HMA are the Forest Service Area horses from what I gather. McKendra, any basics here? Thanks!

  5. jock4hire Says:

    Hey All,

    My thoughts and prayers are going out to all of you who’ll be fighting for these poor souls that have deserved so much better than what they’ve been dealt here by the BLM!! I’d like to impose a citizens arrest on those that have been involved in this most illegal gathering of our American Icon the Mustang. May each of you be put in jail and rot there for the rest of your free days of life here on this planet! Ginger thank you for all you’ve done to help save these horses from the cruelest of hands! Those belong to man, not beast. Steve, thanks don’t come close to covering it. You’re love for the horses is evident in every article you write about these mustangs. How do I submit your name for some kind of an award? You certainly do deserve one, or two of ’em!! Lookin’ forward to hearing from you again soon!! Good Luck at the Races!!

    Until They Are Safe!!
    lj (jock4hire)

  6. jo bunny Says:

    has anyone been allowed in to see these horses since the roundup? do we know if they are at the very least being fed properly & given enough water? have the stallions been gelded? have there been any injuries since being in the corrals?
    do we know if the blm is allowing their partners in crime a chance to come look at the horses before the adoption? before anyone else trying to adopt one of the horses?
    matt had said last week that they had been dewormed & had 5 way vaccinations & coggins tests…..didn’t say much else…..

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      Jo,

      Just from reading this continual blog, I don’t think any independent observer or Mustangs advocate has been near the Mustangs since the last day of the stupid, needless round up. The entire TCF group, Carol Walker, Elder Boggess and Elyse were denied access to access the Mustangs the next day. Everyone left with burden hearts to go back home and continue the fight. I don’t know how they cope. I have been sick to my stomach for several weeks now and fighting off headaches. I know it’s wrong to be anxious, to fret and to worry, but, my soul is so stirred up.

    • Nora Morbeck Says:

      Gelding the stallions … I know why the BLM has it done, but let’s face it. A stallion like Conquistador is always going to act like a stallion, with or without testicles. Just getting the testosterone out of his system could take up to 6 months, and the behavior patterns of a strong male are there for life.

      Is he ever going to be able to mingle with a mixed herd without trying to chase off/injure other males? There a chance but my guess is: Probably not. If he acts like a stallion, he may not be successful in a group of domestic horses and may end up alone. Taking a horse like this off the range and condemning him to the lonely fate of a domestic stallion is beyond cruel.

      Makes me wish I had acres of pasture and a small group of mares he could live out his days with…

    • Christine Says:

      They do not starve the horses or deprive them of water, I know this for certain. My mustang was in their pens for 2 years before he was up for adoption, and he was in great shape when I got him.

      • Nora Morbeck Says:

        The BLM doesn’t starve them. That’s true. At least they don’t intentionally starve them, though some horses get a lot more to eat than others.

        By keeping them in a small space where stronger horses push aside weaker ones — and by not feeding them individually in seperate areas — caretakers don’t really know how much each horse is eating.

        A good rule for horse feeding: If you want to be sure a horse is getting proper nutrition on a daily basis, you have to feed them a specified amount appropriate to their weight, age and so on — AND you have to feed them seperately to ensure that they’re eating all of their food and not getting pushed out of the way.

        There’s no way the BLM can really accomplish that — not with thousands of animals in their care.

      • Morgan Williams Says:

        Christine:

        I am so glad to hear that your Mustang was healthy. That is good to have first hand information. Your Mustang must have been the hands of a contracted caretaker who was experienced and compassionate. There must be many others with success stories like yours.

        Please understand however, I am not willing to give the BLM and 90% of those associated with the BLM an ounce of credit. We all know that horses have sensitive guts. How many of us horse owners would be willing to change our horses diet in the blink of an eye and just experiment to see what happens to the horse? The Pryor Mt range Mustangs are used to all day forage at this time of year. They are used to fresh grasses and fresh water.

        I can’t give any leeway to an organization that contracts with Mustang killers and known slaughter house agents. Taxpayer $$ are going to these hideous brokers & contractors.

        I don’t trust the BLM any further than I throw them knowing their history in Sheldon Nevada, the wild burro massacre in the Black Mountains, the 100 Mustangs rounded up & then forgotten so they died of thirst and now the refusal to give an accurate headcount since November on the supposed 33,000 Mustangs and Burros in BLM long term holding. Which means what? What are they concealing?

        I listened to Ginger’s & Julianna’s interview on radio from Saturday. Dave Cattoor did go after that brand new foal and mare the last day of the round up. The 10 day old foal was run with a herd. She and Mama could not keep up. They were left behind footsore, seperated and exhausted.

  7. Morgan Williams Says:

    I don’t come close to the adoption regulations. If wishes were fishes……………………

    I am talking with Senator Feingold this week. I will ask again for support to free the Pryor Mustangs before adoption day. I will ask him to co-sponsor S 1579. Christine at TCF says that Senator Byrd is not feeling well and may need more help.

  8. Linda H Says:

    Mu husband and I were at the corrals on Sat., the 12th, when they had a Visitors’ Day for people interested in adoption. There were about 8-10 of us. There was hay on the ground and water in each pen. However, in one pen, a dominant mare kept all others from getting a drink while we were there. They also penned stallions adjoining the mares, and one of the stallions was trying to climb the fence to get to a mare in estrus. The mares with foals were in a pen together, and the foals were still pretty sore. The “caretaker” who lives there wasn’t much of a PR person and he didn’t know what the big deal was about the horses. He got quite talkative and complained that these horses “even have names.” He also added that they gave PZP to all the females they could get to–enough that it would probably sterilize the young ones. (Don’t know if that was true, but that was his boast.) Actually, the 2 young rangers who were there were quite pleasant and friendly.
    My daughter and I would love to adopt (she has a horse property in Eaton,CO) but it’s only 2.5 acres. I’d take them all in a minute, if I could. There were huge stacks of hay near the corrals, and they made us stay together, and then the Caretaker told us it was time to leave.
    The bright spot of the day was when we went up the mountain and saw Cloud with his (diminished) band at the water hole, along with about 6-7 other bands and lots of tender-footed foals.

    • Linda Says:

      Regarding gelding, he said that the stallions were not gelded–I guess that would cost more money.

    • Marilyn Wargo Says:

      Linda, I am glad to have word. I expected as much. I think I will go up there. It is really sad. I hope your daughter can adopt. It is the quality of care that is needed for any of these horses. Matt has said that the foals were recovering, but it may still be awhile. The scene at the pens must be upsetting. Thanks for sharing, Mar

  9. Morgan Williams Says:

    http://www.vickitobin.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/americanherds.pdf

    I found this article today on Wy State Representative Sue Wallis. She was mentored by Senator Conrad Burns. She is actively pursuing legislation for removing ban on US horseslaughter plants and the non-interference of transporting equines across the border for slaughter.

    I know it’s been said before in this blog, that there ARE equine industries in the USA that are pro-slaughter.

    • Susan NY Says:

      Yes Sue Wallis is known to be pro-slaughter. Right now don’t think there’s any interference shipping horses across the border, and a suspicious # are listed as “geldings” way more than you would expect.

      Right now it’s illegal to ship or sell uninspected horse meat across state lines, after the fact, without a USDA inspection. The US Congress pulled the plug on taxpayer funding those inspections, and Federal Courts upheld the inspection ban. If we are successful passing the ROAM Act, there is protection there, assuming the BLM is watched like a hawk.

  10. Jaime Johnson Says:

    I am so anxious for these horses. I have three Pryor boys myself; all three were “rescued”, not adopted. They were rejected. I worry for these horses now in the corrals. Will willing adopters come forward now only to “give up” on their horse a few months or even years from now? This isn’t a novelty to own, a boasting right, or even a cute domesticated “pony”. These are WILD horses, to their core, to their very bone. Two of my boys were stallions in the Pryor’s for five and six years. They have not been easy to work with, and I have trained many horses. One of them (about four months after he was gelded) chased my older Pryor gelding around for months before he gave up the fight. He is still the dominant horse in my herd, but luckily his stallion behaviors have subsided. They are with me FOREVER, because I have made that commitment to them.

    Please, adopters, if you are going to get one of these amazing animals, do so with the intent of giving him or her a FOREVER home. If you spend the time training and working with them, you will never know a more willing, trusting, and loving partner.

    • Morgan Williams Says:

      Jamie:

      Thanks for all the great advice and for sharing your experience. How wonderful it must be, to be the proud Mom to rescued Pryor Mustangs. You chose them, but they chose you right back.

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  12. Susan Tapia Says:

    I am not in a position to adopt, however I am in a position to purchase one or two of these horses if you would have an idea of where and with whom they could be placed. Is the Cloud Foundation planning on purchasing any of the herd? In which case I can help.

    • thecloudfoundation Says:

      Yes! We are working in conjunction with local MT residents to keep all these horses together. Monies donated to the Freedom Fund go directly to the purchase/adoption of these horses and their care and hay. Thank you to you and everyone– the auction is tomorrow.

  13. Janet Ferguson Says:

    Here’s a map from the BLM of sites for September 26, 2009 — also a phone number to call for updates, additions — this is for the special National Day on September 26.

    http://www.nationalwildhorseadoptionday.org/event-map.html

  14. Lyn McCormick Says:

    One of the members of our WH & B group is needing a ride up to the adoption. She lives in Livermore, Colorado. If anyone is heading north and could offer her a ride pls. contact us ASAP. Thanks so much. Lyn

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  16. Carole Menninger Says:

    I am hoping and praying that many of these horses will be bought by caring individuals and not by the kill buyers. I was only able to donate $75 toward this effort, but again, hoping that many other Americans have also tried to help.
    It has broken my heart to see what the BLM has done to these horses. And now Cloud and his herd, who I have followed from the various documentaries over the years. Unfortunately i live in Texas now (and I mean no disrespect to Texans at large) BUT it’s well known our two Senators, Hutchison and Cornyn, have never supported horse protection legislation, even though many of us, myself included, call and write them constantly about the various bills, from the horse slaughter bills to S. 1579. I try to encourage everyone I know to call, email, fax their lawmakers to stop this insanity. I only wish I could attend next week in person, but will be making my phonecalls, etc Monday to their offices, the BLM and others as soon as they open. I am not a horse owner (would if i could!!), but just think they are the most magnificent animals. Anyway, thanks to all of you on the front who are doing all you can to save as many as you can. God bless you all!

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